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wine and breastfeeding

12 replies

cluesinthename · 17/12/2024 14:41

I keep seeing mixed messages about breastfeeding and wine/alcohol.

can you do it safely or not? Does it enter your breast milk or not?

if I had 1 glass of wine with dinner and was breastfeeding - is that ok?
we can totally give a bottle, which would be the plan. But do I need pump pull and dump? And how long for?
What if I had 2 glasses? Is that double the time?

sorry, I find it all very confusing.

I May or may not have a glass of wine but it’s been 3 years since I’ve had one at Christmas because I was pregnant or breastfeeding previously - and didn’t fancy it then.

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mikado1 · 17/12/2024 14:43

Two glasses is absolutely fine. Dr Jack Newman's study gave great detail on this. The thinking around it has completely changed. Enjoy your wine and your baby!

LegoHouse274 · 17/12/2024 14:48

If you look on the NHS website there's some advice. It's very cautious and actually recommends little to no alcohol and to try not to breastfeed for a few hours after an alcoholic drink. I don't know if the advice has changed recently or what because I'm sure this seemed like less of an issue when I was breastfeeding my first two children (2018, and 2021-2022). I basically follow the NHS advice so I'd have a drink of say 1-2 units but not more than that. And ideally immediately after a feed.

TenThousandSpoons · 17/12/2024 14:51

Two glasses of wine would be fine.

If you drink more or decide to give a bottle of milk instead, you don’t need to “pump and dump” unless you want to pump for your own comfort.

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AegonT · 17/12/2024 15:16

A couple of glasses is fine as hardly any enters your breastmilk. I drank but not to excess whilst breastfeeding. No need to pump and dump.

OldFish · 17/12/2024 15:17

The rule is if you're too drunk to hold the baby, you've had too much to breastfeed. Otherwise, it's fine.

cluesinthename · 17/12/2024 15:34

Thank you all
super helpful!
cheers! 🍷 x

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helpfulperson · 17/12/2024 15:52

OldFish · 17/12/2024 15:17

The rule is if you're too drunk to hold the baby, you've had too much to breastfeed. Otherwise, it's fine.

This is what I was coming on to say.

mindutopia · 17/12/2024 18:11

Absolutely fine.You’d be dead before the wine would be affecting your baby.

YellowRoom · 17/12/2024 18:14

OldFish · 17/12/2024 15:17

The rule is if you're too drunk to hold the baby, you've had too much to breastfeed. Otherwise, it's fine.

Agreed

TenThousandSpoons · 17/12/2024 18:31

@OldFish Thats almost word for word what a breastfeeding counsellor told my NCT group!

mikado1 · 17/12/2024 21:11

This is a long read, but interesting, and should reassure anyone.
(From Jack Newman fb)
Alcohol and breastfeeding. Happy holidays all from our breastfeeding clinic in Toronto - www.ibconline.ca .

Since the holidays are imminent, even started, many of you may want to have a couple of alcoholic drinks. You do not have to "pump and dump" (a terrible expression) afterwards and you don't have to wait a certain time after your more recent drink in order to restart breastfeeding. The amount of alcohol that gets into the milk is tiny and will not hurt the baby.

Think of it this way, in most jurisdictions, you are too impaired to drive if you have 0.05% alcohol in your blood. Alcohol appears in the milk in the same concentration as in the blood. Thus if you have 0.05% alcohol in your blood you will have 0.05% alcohol in your milk and as it decreases in your blood, it will decrease in your milk. Even de-alcoholized beer sold in my local store has 0.6% alcohol, more than 10x more than the breastmilk will contain if it contains 0.05% alcohol.

I am not saying it's fine to get falling down drunk because if you are breastfeeding, you must not drop the baby, but the problem is your coordination not the amount of alcohol in the milk.

Also from last year:

The following is from a blog by a mother who tested her milk for alcohol. Not one of those useless kits that you can buy at various stores, but tested at a toxicology laboratory. I will copy from her blog the method she used and the results. I think this puts the lie to the notion that women should not drink while breastfeeding or need to "pump and dump" (an appalling term) after having even one drink. The following is an exact quote from her blog:

Method:
First I took a sample of my milk (about 1 mL) prior to drinking any alcoholic beverage. I expressed the milk mid-nursing session to ensure I had a goodly portion of fore & hind milk. After completing the nursing session, I mixed myself an alcoholic beverage consisting of 2 oz of 80 proof (40%) vodka in 10 oz of soda (Sprite). I proceeded to drink the entire 12 oz in about 30 minutes. About 30 minutes after finishing (1 hour after beginning to drink), I expressed some milk (about 1 mL) and labeled it 'immediate'. I then waited 1 hour and expressed more milk (about 1 mL) and labeled it '2 hours'. In the 2 hours (from the beginning), I did not drink any more alcoholic beverages, drink other beverages, or eat any other foods. Another day, 1/2 of a beer (4.3% alcohol) and 2-6 oz glasses of wine were consumed within 1.5 hours. About an hour from the beginning of the last drink, a milk sample (about 1 mL) was taken. This sample was labeled '1 hour - 3 drinks'. Another sample was taken about an hour after that (2 hours after the beginning of the last drink). This sample was labeled '2 hours - 3 drinks'.

The samples were stored in the refrigerator until processing. An Agilent headspace instrument was used to run the tests. Propanol and ethanol standards were also tested to ensure the instrument was within limits. The instrument is maintained by the KSP Lab Toxicology Section and used in forensic determinations of blood and urine alcohol content.

Results:
The sample labeled as 'immediate' registered as 0.1370 mg/mL which correlates to 0.01370% alcohol in the sample. The sample labeled '2 hours' registered as 0.0000 mg/ml which correlates to 0.0000%. The sample labeled '1 hour - 3 drinks' registered as 0.3749 mg/mL which correlates to 0.03749% alcohol in the sample. The sample labeled '2 hours - 3 drinks' registered as 0.0629 mg/mL which correlates to 0.00629% alcohol in the sample.

Conclusion:
The alcohol content in breast milk immediately after drinking is equivalent to a 0.0274 proof beverage. That's like mixing 1 oz of 80 proof vodka (one shot) with 2919 oz of mixer . By the way, 2919 oz is over 70 liters. Two hours after drinking one (strong) drink the alcohol has disappeared from the sample. Completely harmless to the nursing infant. Drinking about 3 drinks in 1.5 hours resulted in higher numbers, but still negligible amounts of alcohol would be transferred to the child. One hour after imbibing in 3 drinks, the milk was the equivalent of 0.07498 proof beverage. That would be like adding 1 oz of 80 proof vodka (one shot) to 1066 oz of mixer (1066 oz is over 26 liters). Two hours after imbibing in 3 drinks, the milk was 0.01258 proof. That would be like adding 1 oz of 80 proof vodka to 3179 oz of mixer (over almost 80 liters) So, even though an infant has much less body weight, any of these percentage of alcohol in breast milk is unlikely to adversely affect the baby.

That70sHouse · 17/12/2024 21:12

“If you can find the baby, you can feed the baby” ie as long as you’re not wasted it’s fine.

also note that if you ARE wasted the main risk is around falling asleep while feeding/dropping baby/lying on them by accident etc and not the amount of alcohol that enters their system via breastmilk. It’s miniscule.

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