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Help with 7 month old baby? Drinking and eating problems!

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BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 20:59

Hi all, we've got a 7 month old DS, and we really need some advice or suggestions.
Since around 6 weeks old, our son has gradually come to hate drinking milk and quite blankly refuses it.
We started off with breast milk and he was completely fine on that (expressed milk). After my partner got mastitis, unfortunately her supply all but dropped off completely, to the point where she wasn't even getting enough for one feed a day.
We had to change him on to formula milk, and ever since then feeding has been an absolute nightmare.
He started on normal Cow&Gate milk, and he was sicking it back up all the time, and after switching between the 'standard' new born milks, which made no difference (and we tried goats milk), we finally settled on SMA anti reflux, which did stop the sick. However, he still really struggled to drink the 'recommended' amount ever since. We've changed bottles from MAM to Dr. Brown, we've changed teets and the sizes, we've been prescribed Gaviscon by the doctors, although we then had conflicting advice saying we couldn't use anti reflux milk with the Gaviscon, so we stopped that (it didn't make any difference anyway so he obviously didn't need it).
The doctors then prescribed Omeprazol, which he still continues to take, and that's stopped the hysterical screaming and feed times but it hasn't increased the amount that he drinks.

He started off good, but gradually over the last 3 or 4 months, he drinks less and less each feed, and we just do not know what to do anymore. We've tried contacting the doctors and the health visitor, and all they've done is fob us off, turn us away, and given no real advice or help.

At 6 months, under the health visitors recommendation, we took him off the anti reflux milk and we started weening him.

He now only has 2oz - 3oz per feed, and he will blankly refuse the rest of the bottle, kicking himself out of the way, crying, turning head, shutting mouth ect. It feels like a real battle to feed him. He usually has 5-6 feeds a day. Some of which, will be as little as 1oz, some as much as 4oz, but never anything more. He's drinking less than he did at 2 months old!
To add, this has been going on before he had come off the reflux milk, so I don't think this is the issue.

The last health visitor meeting was a few weeks ago, and he had dropped off his weight gain line and was under where he was projected. They didn't show any concern for that, though, although I do.

His weening/food is very much hit and miss. One day, he's happy eating away, but gradually that's getting worse too. He seems to be less and less interested and will get to the point where he just refuses it.

We're first time parents, so we don't know is this is normal or not, but it very much feels like it isn't.

He's also been consistently ill. He seems to always have a runny nose, he's had a blocked tear duct since birth (which the doctors keep saying 'will clear up on its own'), he's not long recovered from bronchiolitis, and generally had colds/ilnesses since 2 months old (I know this is common too though).

We've always suspected it could be a milk allergy, but the doctors pretty much shut that theory down straight away (that's the GP, HV and ER staff). I'm wondering whether to try buying some of the milk allergy milk off the online pharmacy, and see if that can make a difference. Does anyone have any recommendations on brand?
In addition, I'm wondering whether to pay privately for a milk allergy test for him, as the GP won't, to see if we can get to the bottom of it that way. Again, does anyone have any recommendations for companies that do that sort of thing?

His sleeping isn't great either, he wakes up in the early hours screaming, but he isn't hungry. We offer him milk, and he just doesn't want it, he maybe has 1oz, and goes back to sleep. It's even more bizzare that you'd think when he wakes up in the morning, he would be more interested in his bottle as for having a long break in between feeds though the night, but this isn't the case. We can barely get 2/3oz down him. We offer him 7oz in his bottles but it's been months and months since he actually finished one.

We are wondering if he's teething too (only recently) as he does show some symptoms for that. However, this has been going on a long long time before teething was ever an option, so I don't think it's the sole cause.

If anyone has any similar scenarios, suggestions, recommendations, tips or anything please let me know. My partner is doing such a great job, but this is really affecting her, and she's so upset by it. We just want him to be happy and drinking/feeding well. We just don't know what we can do anymore. The doctors just will not help.

Thank you so much in advance!

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teatoast8 · 11/12/2024 21:03

I would buy some special formula. It does sound like allergies. If it makes a difference you can get it on prescription. But with your baby being 7 months. They might not drink it. It tastes and smells foul x

Slowfeedingbaby · 11/12/2024 21:04

I've started a couple of threads previously with similar issues (hence my username) and in the end, we were referred by our HV to a specialist Speech and Language Feeding team. They deal with the mechanics of the tongue and mouth structure as well and were able to give us lots of advice, plus get us a paediatric review in case there was a more sinister reasons for our issues. I'm not sure if they deal with allergies, but they may be another point of support for you, if you haven't tried it already? Our team were amazingly helpful to DD2.

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:05

teatoast8 · 11/12/2024 21:03

I would buy some special formula. It does sound like allergies. If it makes a difference you can get it on prescription. But with your baby being 7 months. They might not drink it. It tastes and smells foul x

Thank you. Does anyone have any suggestions, that if it is that, is there a way to make it 'taste better' ?

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BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:07

Slowfeedingbaby · 11/12/2024 21:04

I've started a couple of threads previously with similar issues (hence my username) and in the end, we were referred by our HV to a specialist Speech and Language Feeding team. They deal with the mechanics of the tongue and mouth structure as well and were able to give us lots of advice, plus get us a paediatric review in case there was a more sinister reasons for our issues. I'm not sure if they deal with allergies, but they may be another point of support for you, if you haven't tried it already? Our team were amazingly helpful to DD2.

I've never heard of them.. that's amazing, thank you! We will be looking them up tomorrow and see if we can pursue that avenue. It's worth a shot either way. We just want to get to the bottom of it.

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Onlyvisiting · 11/12/2024 21:09

Random idea from a non parent- can you get breast milk from any kind of milk bank? I've seen people give away freezer stashes etc, I've no idea on the logistics or legality of it but just a thought.
Im assuming though that at 7 months he ought to be able to manage enough solid food to replace the calories? I know babu led weaning seems to be the thing now but if its his main source of nutrition I'd be inclined to go for spoon feeding purees if it got more down him?

teatoast8 · 11/12/2024 21:14

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:05

Thank you. Does anyone have any suggestions, that if it is that, is there a way to make it 'taste better' ?

I'm sure you can add vanilla essence or something like that. If you look on amazon I'm sure there's a banana one

teatoast8 · 11/12/2024 21:15

Onlyvisiting · 11/12/2024 21:09

Random idea from a non parent- can you get breast milk from any kind of milk bank? I've seen people give away freezer stashes etc, I've no idea on the logistics or legality of it but just a thought.
Im assuming though that at 7 months he ought to be able to manage enough solid food to replace the calories? I know babu led weaning seems to be the thing now but if its his main source of nutrition I'd be inclined to go for spoon feeding purees if it got more down him?

Milk is the main feed till 1 tho. At 7 months babies don't really get the nutrition from food yet

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:16

Onlyvisiting · 11/12/2024 21:09

Random idea from a non parent- can you get breast milk from any kind of milk bank? I've seen people give away freezer stashes etc, I've no idea on the logistics or legality of it but just a thought.
Im assuming though that at 7 months he ought to be able to manage enough solid food to replace the calories? I know babu led weaning seems to be the thing now but if its his main source of nutrition I'd be inclined to go for spoon feeding purees if it got more down him?

That is something I've heard about, but never really looked into so it's not a bad shout to be fair.
I think all the advice online sort leans to the fact that milk should still be their main source of nutrition at 7 months old. This is why we are still really concerned by it. It would be great if he was really good with his food too though, such as if he was eating all his meals with no issues then I'd probably be inclined not to worry as much about the milk, but when he's struggling with both is what's giving us the most concern. My partner has just raised a valid point though, that if it is a milk allergy, and with him being weened over the last 4 or 5 weeks, the advice given was to put as much milk or dairy into them meals as possible to substitute the milk because he was struggling with it. The could be emphasising the allergy to dairy, and thus causing him to struggle even more. It's only just occurred to us but that could be an option. I suppose that all depends on whether he has got an allergy or not though.

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HippyKayYay · 11/12/2024 21:16

Did he feed with no problems at all before switching off the boob and to bottle? One of my first thoughts was tongue tie (that makes eating hard for him), but that would have made breastfeeding hard(er) too

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:21

HippyKayYay · 11/12/2024 21:16

Did he feed with no problems at all before switching off the boob and to bottle? One of my first thoughts was tongue tie (that makes eating hard for him), but that would have made breastfeeding hard(er) too

He never actually breastfed. My partner tried so hard with it, but he couldn't latch onto it although he was trying so hard. My partner and I both noticed though that wasn't his fault, it was because the nipple didn't stay 'out' whenever he was near it.. not sure what the correct terminology to put that as.
He's been checked/tested for tounge tie, which everyone said is completely normal, but I guess they could of missed something.
My partner expressed the milk with a pump, and he always had it out of bottles. Originally MAM bottles, but from this forum we had seen that the Dr. Brown bottles were better, so we switched to them. It doesn't seem it made masses of difference though.
Can tounge tie be hereditary, do you know?

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Slowfeedingbaby · 11/12/2024 21:40

Yes, tongue tie can be hereditary. I was asked if i or DH had had one. And to be honest, i saw 6 NHS professionals with DD2 who didn't spot that she had a 90% tongue tie. We ended up seeing a private lactation consultant who found it. So it could be the case that there is one there.

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:46

Slowfeedingbaby · 11/12/2024 21:40

Yes, tongue tie can be hereditary. I was asked if i or DH had had one. And to be honest, i saw 6 NHS professionals with DD2 who didn't spot that she had a 90% tongue tie. We ended up seeing a private lactation consultant who found it. So it could be the case that there is one there.

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That's brilliant. Deffinetly an option to look at then. I'm not sure if me or my partner were tongue tied, but some of our siblings deffinetly were.
I'll be following this up for sure. Thank you so much

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Slowfeedingbaby · 11/12/2024 21:50

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:46

That's brilliant. Deffinetly an option to look at then. I'm not sure if me or my partner were tongue tied, but some of our siblings deffinetly were.
I'll be following this up for sure. Thank you so much

If you are by any chance near South London, I can PM you the name of the person we saw. I'm not sure whether she looks at older babies, but you'll be able ask her.

BeLoudNavyWasp · 11/12/2024 21:54

Slowfeedingbaby · 11/12/2024 21:50

If you are by any chance near South London, I can PM you the name of the person we saw. I'm not sure whether she looks at older babies, but you'll be able ask her.

Unfortunately we're no where near, we're up in the peak district... that's a shame. I'm sure there will be one local though. I'll have a search around

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Isthisrealomgwow · 11/12/2024 22:15

I was going to suggest tongue/lip tie, especially as you said there were latch issues.
Look for a private specialist as the NHS wait is very long (where I am it is).

I did read a study that links high levels of folic acid in pregnancy to increase incidence in tongue tie. That's not to say don't take it though.

HippyKayYay · 12/12/2024 09:49

DD's tongue tie was missed by two midwives, a health visitor and a GP who refused to even look in her mouth because she was 'thriving' (despite my nipples being cut to ribbons every time she fed). Like PP I ended up going to a private breastfeeding drop in that had a tongue-tie specialist, who spotted it immediately. We had to have hers snipped a few times for it to not re-heal, but it was ultimately transformative to her ability to feed.

Katherina198819 · 12/12/2024 10:17

How is his weight? Is he underweight?

We had similar issues when my baby was 3 weeks old. He had a surgery and during the hospital stay, my milk went away (stress, lack of feeding etc.) We had to change to formula, and my little boy hated it (our biggest issue was the constipation). They told me they would prescribe me a special formula if he goes under 25 percentile (which, thankfully, never happened).

I think you should keep pushing your GP to refer to a specialist. If it's milk allergy, you need to know earlier rather than later. Don't take no for an answer.
My baby was struggling to breathe, and the midwife, gp, and health visitors all ignored my worries. I went to the emergency (third time...) and told them I wasn't going to leave until I saw a specialist. My baby had surgery 3 days later, which probably saved his life.

Do not take no for an answer. Unfortunately, it's very common that they don't take your worries seriously. Even if nothing is wrong (some babies are just not that interested in milk), it is always good to know there are no other issues, for example, allergy.

Avie29 · 12/12/2024 13:41

I don’t want to sound minimising- not sure if thats the right word but maybe you need to relax a little bit, not to say it isn’t a concern or you shouldn’t be concerned but in 7 months you have switched his milk loads of times, switched his bottle and started introducing food and stressing about food/what he isn’t eating etc since he can remember -so food has become a stress factor with him, find a brand that was/is working stick to it, if he only sips an oz don’t try to force him to take more, if he has more don’t make a big deal about it, i get it you’re first time parents and when something doesn’t seem right it is easy to panic but it might be that your panicking is the issue here and why doctors can’t find anything wrong? Just a thought xx

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LetsNCagain · 16/12/2024 21:34

Just checking have you tried the obvious things:

Is the bottle warm enough?
Is the teat flow high enough (not still slow flow, by 7mo they would usually be on medium or fast flow)
Is he uncomfortable in some other way when you're trying to feed? Eg waistband of trousers too tight

You've probably eliminated all of these but worth checking if not, before jumping to allergy interventions

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