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Using a car seat as a pram - supermarket trip?

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OJfordays · 23/09/2024 12:40

Baby is six days old - my understanding is they shouldn’t spend more than 30 mins in the car seat. But when we go shopping we see so many babies being pushed using the car seat as a pram. Is it okay or not?

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HorsePeopleAreStablePeople · 26/09/2024 18:09

When my baby was born a few months ago I was really shocked at how many newborns were just carted around in their car seats when the guidance for protection against SIDS is 30 mins. My baby is now 4 months old and from being in lots of online mum groups and attending local mum groups I have realised that lots of parents ignore car seat safety guidelines, safe sleep guidelines and safety guidelines about sling/carrier use. There are parents who let their babies put muslins over their face to comfort them to sleep and apparently this isn't uncommon!? Most people haven't read the guidance and some people have read it and don't care. Ultimately I've learned there's nothing you can do about it other than know you are protecting your own baby by following the guidance given by the lullaby trust etc.

To the people saying "what is it to you just focus on your own kids" it really upsets me that people are putting their babies at risk and I strongly believe people should be advocating for babies safety as it's not their fault their parents are doing stupid things and putting them in danger.

HorsePeopleAreStablePeople · 26/09/2024 18:10

When my baby was born a few months ago I was really shocked at how many newborns were just carted around in their car seats when the guidance for protection against SIDS is 30 mins. My baby is now 4 months old and from being in lots of online mum groups and attending local mum groups I have realised that lots of parents ignore car seat safety guidelines, safe sleep guidelines and safety guidelines about sling/carrier use. There are parents who let their babies put muslins over their face to comfort them to sleep and apparently this isn't uncommon!? Most people haven't read the guidance and some people have read it and don't care. Ultimately I've learned there's nothing you can do about it other than know you are protecting your own baby by following the guidance given by the lullaby trust etc.

To the people saying "what is it to you just focus on your own kids" it really upsets me that people are putting their babies at risk and I strongly believe people should be advocating for babies safety as it's not their fault their parents are doing stupid things and putting them in danger.

DappledThings · 26/09/2024 22:16

I never got why it was seen as handy in the first place. Car seat was so much heavier and more unwieldy than the bassinet or a sling. Getting the pram set up and putting the car seat on was so much more hassle that putting the bassinet on the chassis.

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Avie29 · 27/09/2024 06:58

The rule is to check them every 30 mins to make sure they aren’t overheating/changed positions, not that they can’t be in the car seat for that long, if you look on nhs website it says for long journeys to pull over at regular 30 minute intervals to check baby, if you’re pushing baby in a carseat buggy they are generally tilted back so the seat is flatter (mine was anyway) and they are facing you so you can make sure they are still breathing comfortably and not overheating regularly anyway xx

OJfordays · 27/09/2024 07:20

No, for newborns, they shouldn’t be in the car seat for longer than 30 minutes in total.

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FrapGlart · 27/09/2024 07:44

I don't know why more people dont use slings. Our two lived in slings for the first 6-12 months. And so convenient for the parents with both arms free.
Out of car seat into the sling.

But also it's very easy to be literal with advice like this, it's very unlikely to be 29 minutes, baby absolutely fine, 31 minutes serious problems.

RitzyMcFee · 27/09/2024 12:54

You can't decide to ignore guidance because you can see some other people in the support ignoring it.

People do all sorts of things. Smoke in the same room as a baby, take crystal meth when they are pregnant, leave their baby at home alone when they go out etc.

SJM1988 · 27/09/2024 13:11

Its only guidance not a rule. For a lot of things it is ultimately down to the parents what they choose to follow and what they don't. And you can't go around worrying about it or policing it. You also have no idea how long another baby has been in a car seat for. Those parents may be following the 30 mins rules for all you know.

I thought the 30 mins was only for newborns /very small babies. From like 6 weeks it I think 2 hours guidance. We travelled regularly to see family in my maternity leave. We stuck to the stopping to check every 30 mins before 6 weeks and 2 hours after 6 weeks.

Personally I would move my DS/DD to a bassinet every time we go out the car. I rarely used the car seat unless it was to go into a group or something where they would be taken out. Or into a carrier/sling.

Gotosleep91 · 27/09/2024 20:55

Listen - no guidance is black and white. 30 minutes isn't a magic number. Just because they say 30 minutes doesn't mean the baby is guaranteed to be safe for thirty minutes as much as it doesn't mean they will drop dead after thirty minutes. It's guidance to remind parents to check regularly and not leave them too long.

I say this as a mum whose baby went blue and floppy after about 4 minutes in a car seat. Luckily we were in an ambulance anyway (transferring for me after birth) but had baby done the 20 minute journey in the car with Dad which would have been 'allowed' under this guidance, they would not be here right now.

AllHisCaterpillarFriends · 27/09/2024 21:10

BertieBotts · 26/09/2024 14:59

It's not unsafe in the sense that they will immediately have a reaction and be harmed by it. (I've actually read a lot of the research on this).

What the advice is about is an increased risk to young babies from spending longer time periods in car seats. Ideally, very young babies ought to be laid flat as much as possible. The risk with an inclined position such as a car seat (but also things like bouncers, rockers, swings, and pushchairs in semi-reclined position) is that they can end up in a position where their airway is compressed due to poor neck control at this age. If you bend your head down, so your own chin touches your chest, you can feel how difficult it is to breathe like this. The problem for newborns in particular, is that they can't hold their own head up to alleviate this, particularly against the slope of the seat. And while they might be able to manage a reduced level of oxygen for a short amount of time, the longer they are left like that the less oxygen they are taking in, so in rare cases, it can cause seizures or even asphyxiation (suffocation).

Really the riskier duration is 1hr+, especially if your car seat is modern (car seat inserts have greatly improved since a lot of these research observations were made) and properly adjusted, and your baby is full term and a typical weight with no breathing problems. But even this is a small increase of a small risk to begin with. Certainly when my 16yo was born, everyone was using swings and rockers and bouncers for tiny babies and nobody ever told us not to. You could even get a hammock bed for them to sleep in which would cause all kinds of worry today! I am sure I don't remember car seat time limits being suggested either, although there was a lot of criticism of people using car seats on pushchairs and suggestion that it would curve the baby's spine due to the lack of proper support, and I remember being warned never to put the car seat on a high up surface in case the baby managed to rock themselves off the edge of the table (which has also been a cause of accidental death to babies in car seats).

The 30 min advice seems to come from a small pilot study done in 2014 and it is strange how the UK has really latched onto this, because IMO there were a lot of problems with the study design and none of the findings have been replicated since. However I am curious about @GoneIsAnotherSummersDay 's comment - it makes sense, because babies in rear facing car seats hardly ever die in car crashes, but I hadn't come across this statistic before and I'm curious if you have more info. I would imagine that it can't be that many, because the figures from the US over various multiple-year spans are in single figures per year, and they drive much more and have much higher population than the UK.

In any case, for babies over 4 weeks old, the recommended guideline is 2 hours. Under 4 weeks, you just want to minimise use of the car seat where possible, or keep a guideline of 30-60 minutes in mind. If you choose to use the car seat on the pram or go for a long drive, it is enough to remove them from the seat, give them a cuddle (maybe a feed) and let them stretch and then put them back in the seat if you need to continue your journey.

And these are just guidelines too. You can make your own judgement on whether or not something is safe. IMO the way that people interpret guidelines today on the internet is extreme and not the intent of the advice. It is anxiety fodder, when in reality you really don't need to do everything 100% right all the time. Your baby will probably be fine even if you did everything wrong! After all, the majority of babies were fine even before this advice. While it's useful to bear it in mind and be aware that a particular risk exists, and the ways to reduce the risk, I don't think it is healthy to be worrying constantly about tiny risks which likely will not happen.

It took time to type this well thought reply out, and it is an excellent example of the wonders of MN.

I've read your replies in the past Bertie they are always excellent.

Op the quoted response helps.

AllHisCaterpillarFriends · 27/09/2024 21:27

OP I hope it helps

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