OK 2000 words on law

[Scramble]

So do I get on with it tonight or say feck it as I am pissed and full of the cold and tackle it tomorrow, I really need to finish it tomorrow and just putting it off by being on here.

What kind of law?

I did a module in journalism law last semester.....

Do you know what it is you want to say?

Personally I'd say, fuck it... it'll wait until tomorrow, if you are pissed it won't make much sense anyway

Its all about occupiers liability , negligence, licensing and security indusrty act and H&S etc. We have a case and we have to say what he will be prosicuted under explaining civil and criminal then advise the client what he should have done. I am not sure what comes under criminal as I thought that was all civil and I want to do him for murder , but perhaps involuntary manslaughter is the closest, but we havn't covered that in class so I am thinking I have went the wromng way.

Ok... I only know about Libel laws etc..

And I'm guessing libel doesn't count in your case!

Tell me about it, it sounds interesting!!

GET ON WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'll thank me in the long run.

But until then.... [stern look]

OK guy (music shop owner) has a mini two day music festival of rock and roll in a small hall for the past two years, this year he is going to a bigger church hall that holds about 500. It attracts adults age 30+ and families.

This year he decides to have a guest appearance by a boy band member.

He gets one of his music shop staff to deal with the PA equipment (speakers).

He gets the local scaffolder to extend the stage to accomodate the speaker stacks.

He gets the loal rugby club to provide door security. Unlicensed.

So on second night hall is full but hundreds of girls queuing to get in to see boy band guy.

Two girls sneek past bouncer and once in open rear fire exit to let in approx 100 girls.

Crush in front of stage and one speaker stack falls injures a few including fire exit girls.

Other stack ready to fall bouncer helps shop guy to try and sort it, shop guy is electrocuted and dies.

Somebody announces everyone must leave, so they try to but organiser (shop owner) has locked the rear exit. 3 die in crush at front door, his wife opens a side exit and releaves the crush.

One of the deaths is an older man who dies of a heart attack, he would have survivied if the ambulance had not been dealyed.

ARGH!!!!

Oh and his solicitor buggers up the license appliacation and they only had a license for one day.

Gosh!!!!!!!!!!! Um.... guilty m'lawd??????????

Yup he is guilty as sin but I have to detail what he will be prosicuted under and why, including civil and criminal then offer advice as to best practice and what he should have done or not done.

PS this is not a real case the real ones are worse, we have been studying loads and it is heart breaking, I can hardly read some.

Yes if in a small venue, well any venue make sure you know where the exits are and see if they are unlocked and not blocked, keep your wits about you and don't get too pissed that you would be unable to look after yourself in an emergency. First thing I do even in a pub is check out the exits.

I would help but I've....um.... I..... um.... sorry what was that? Did you call mum?

See too feckin complicated. I will just have to go thtoughit law by law and person by person.

But in addition to this I have to refer to other cases that have set a precidence and all that, feck it I don't want to be a lawyer.

You DO want to be a lawyer. You never know when I might need you!

No I don't I am not studying law it is an degree to do with events but we have this bloody law module to complete.

That's a bugger of a question. If I were sober I would look it up for you. I am slightly drunk but could still have a look (having completed a law degree I may know a little) but you would need to get it checked. Do you want some help?? I'm a 5 out of 10 on the drunk scale.

OMG - all that in 2000 words? .

I'm thinking of trespass laws for some reason (trespassers are still entitled to personal safety where reasonsable) and tort laws. Something about causation to do with the electrouctuin/stack falling.

Have you read the Licensing Act as well? Might point up a few things to include. Oh.... and at least make a few notes tonight if you postpone it til tomorrow.

Health and safety law is a good one to look at , as is negligence. Tort would also be a good area, you can fit this into 200 words. Manslaughter also comes into this a bit. I think it's unfair of them to ask you to do this considering all the areas of law involved. Do you not want help then?

Have to add that this person could be liable for the old person's death at teh end if they were found to have caused, recklessly or knowingly the situation in which he suffered his heart attack, notwithstanding the ambulance being delayed. More tort/manslaughter..

When I did criminal law (which I have to admit was not my strongest topic out of my law degree, contract, tort or constitutional law were my faves) we were given up to 3000 words (plus 10% above or below the word limit) for the 'murder' essay which involved talking about murder right down to involuntary manslaughter with a cast of 5-6 people involved in the situation. 2000 words seems quite short to me to discuss everything else as well as aveanap says. Have you been given a model answer to follow?

It would be manslaughter (in the us they call this negligent homocide)(sp?).

I don't think they want a discussion for 200 words, just a 'this is manslaughter because....'.
I loved criminal law, all the things people do, it amazes me. I'm doing a MSc in environemtal at the moment, this is not as good though.

Oh god.. it's all so complicated!

But you must be very clever!!

I would be no good anyway.... 'cos I misread & was about to post "Sure they can't sue anybody... the shop guy is dead!!"

Before I re-read & realised the shop owner was different from the shop guy! See.... this is why I am not a lawyer... but a journalist with an editor to make sure nobody takes us to court.......

Bugger, i've just knocked a bit of plastic under the keys of my laptop. You were saying??? Wall of silence, rip it to shreds and attack it piece by piece. it looks hard but it isn't (that hard).

Weel I have battered out some stuf from my notes and stuff. I will try to organise it and find the corecrt references tomorrow along witht eh correct laws and statutes

It is a pin to try to cover so much is so little words. But I think we don't have to get too indepth but we do have to show we can correctly apply the law and reson it all through. He says we may come to different outcomes as judges do but we have to do it all correctly. going through the tests for the laws if appropriate.

Right so what comes under criminal law, I thought the law of tort came under civil, but themn I am very confused nad couldn't properly explaine the law of tort if I tried I keep getting t tied up in other laws.

Scramble - you just beat me to it...put down as much of it as you can tonight and make senese of it tomorrow. When you wake up tomorrow, you'll be glad you made a start...

Sorry yes it was the shop employee that electrocuted himself when trying to sort out eh stack he had installed, but did the orgainisers ensure he was qualifed to arry out this owrk.

Yes the alcohol licensing laws come in to play as well as the security indusrty law plus he didn't have an even t license but he did have a one of even t license thing, that I will have to look back and remind my self what that is all about and if this was enough, I am sure it isn't legal if their is alcohol on sale.

Thanks, I didn't even read it back as it is full of big red spelling mistakes as I just battered it out, enough for one night, bit more chat, drugs and alcohol than bed (flu tabs that is).

Tort is stuff like negligence and saying nasty things about someone (I can't spell the word now, so this will have to do). It is a civil matter, the person who has been wronged has to sue.

Criminal is for the crown to sue (CPS), in your assignment crinimal negligence will apply because of the manslaughter. Criminal is stuff ranging from murder, manslaughter, theft, armed robbery...... Whatever is covered by the crown prosecution service.

For each problem there is a judge that will rule in a different way, just say judge a concours with judge b, but it should be made aware that judge c on his ruling during the case of X v Y ruled that....., although the precidence would be taken from the case of ..., ruled by judge a as this was a preciding case.

Drunken level has moved up 0.5.