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28 Month old speaking about death

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MixedCouple · 08/03/2024 14:45

I have known my DS has suffered with nightmares for well over a year based on his reactions at night. But for the la at 6 months he has been able to vocally discuss his dreams and with greater detail now. When he wakes crying it isn't one of pain but of fear. He has a very quiet demeanor generally and observant child. But very emotional and highly sensitive. He doesn't normally react in the moment and well be upset after having had some time.

Last few weeks he has been talking about either me or some other close family member dying. He is only 28months old.
We don't watch TV or have devices that he watches unsupervised at all I always sit by him and talk about whatever show he is watching usually Geckos Real vehicles etc. So no strange things happening there. He doesn't go to Nursery he is with me 24/7 and even width family I am close by.

He reads books a lot like loads, looks at pictures and I read with him. It is our main activity and there are no books with the mention of death.
We were reading a book the other night and he randomly said Grandma died, grandma died. And I was perplexed. I asked why he said that but then he changed the subject and we carried on reading his book. The book was the Hungry Caterpillar!!!!
We Co sleep - same room he has his own sleeping space away from us. He falls asleep with me sat on my bed just a meter away. We do cuddles, kiss and a goodnight. We have a good night time routine etc.

But today during his nap he woke up crying inconsolably only after 50mins of being asleep. He pinched me several times and told me to go away while crying and sobbing his heart out. After 20mins he calmed and said something along the lines of that he pushed me down the stairs and Mama died and he pushed Dad down stairs and Baby down the stairs (I am 20weeks). Then he went back to crying and sobbing and doesn't want me anywhere near him and tells me to leave. I am giving him space but he comes to me and pinches me.
He is excited about baby and always asls to see baby and cuddle my belly and give kisses. He talks to baby and likes to show baby his toddies he is very aware and happy.

No clue what to do. Is this normal? This is my first child. He never has temper tantrums or anything excessive. Normally when he is sad he cuddles me and calms right away just being held. But this time nothing worked not even giving him space. He cried for 50mins!
Is it another nightmare and why is he aware of death to such a level it is upsetting him like this.

We read the Snail and the Whale and there is some imagery of death such as a fish being carried away to be eaten by a gull which he has asked about. But other then that his books are toddler friendly.
I am very confused and it has upset me alot, pregnancy on top of that. I just don't know what's wrong or whats happening.
Any suggestions? It has been a couple weeks of this should I speak to the GP / HV. This is the first time where it has been this intense.
Thank you.

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Mabelface · 09/03/2024 18:29

He could be having night terrors. Might be worth reading up on them.

Kids are sponges, he'll have seen or heard something related to dying and death and is trying to work it out in his head, but not got the maturity to understand it yet.

tittybumbum · 09/03/2024 18:43

WhamBamThankU · 09/03/2024 17:46

Can you not just say he's 2?

Totally

Bagpussrules · 09/03/2024 20:02

@MixedCouple my son at 3 often told me about his “first home” where there was a big fire, he got very hot and tired and went to sleep …..over time this became less often and then he never mentioned it again.my other child told me about people she saw in her room. So yes I do believe some kids do have past life memories and some kids see spirits. Obviously there will be many people who don’t believe this at all but as it’s obviously causing him some distress the best thing is to just calmly ask him some questions about what he is remembering or seeing or try using toys to act out his feelings.

MixedCouple · 10/03/2024 00:04

Firstly thank you for all the responses.

@Aparecium I hadn't even thought about that. I was thinking to get him a book on arrival of a new sibling. But dolls is a great idea. He is so interested and initiates conversations about the baby I assumed all was well. He asks how is baby, asks for belly kisses and hugs etc. I assumed all was ok but maybe he is having a hard time with it at some level.

All those suggeated a previous life. I am Muslim, practicing so not somthing we believe in.

We live in a tiny town population of less then 10k. There are 2 shops, no buses or shelters with advertisements etc etc. It is pretty dead here. Not a busy place it all.
We go to Playgroup once a week he spends time playing with the toys with the kids. I can't see where he would have heard it as the kids are pretty much non verbal. Small group of 8 kids in a small room.

We don't own a TV. We don't watch it. We use a laptop and he is supervised. We follow the montessori ethos. So if we do watch then we discuss and keep it interactive. We aim for more non fictional content where possible. But he is tractor and vehicle mad and so Geckos Real Vehicles is a firm favorite.

100% I do know kids say totally random things I have nieces and nephews. But It is the combination of the topic - the violance/aggression - and how distraught he was.

So I used 28 months instead of 2 becuase there is a big difference developmentally between a 24 month old and a 34 month old.

Well it happened at naptime at 1pm so not a nightterror as he stayed awake and wouldn't finish his nap. He hasn't done this at nighttime. I have looked into night terrors and their is a criteria of how to differentiate. He always remembers his nightmares. Whereas night terrors they won't.

I have spoke to DH about it - typical guy not worried but has agreed if it happens again we will just see the GP. The rest of the day was fine. And he went to bed fine.

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MixedCouple · 10/03/2024 00:25

@@FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain is that be suitable for his age. I wondered when is the time to have that discussion.

Indidnt have a visceral reaction when DS mentioned death. Just mentally I was like "oh what on earth". So he isn't feeding off my reaction.
Not a signs at I would ever discuss with DH infront of DS not had a need to. Not had any deaths in the family for years.

We are pretty typical first time parents when DS is around we talk with him and dont really talk with each other. We save that for nap time / bedtime.

Thank you everyone for your responses. Appreciate it.
If any new developments will update.

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SayDoWhatNow · 10/03/2024 06:23

Your DS sounds like a very thoughtful, reflective little boy!

As other posters have said, I think it is normal for 2 year olds to have questions and the beginning of an understanding about death. I think what is more unusual is his fear that he might kill you - and the degree of distress that he has around that. I can see how having that kind of "what if" thought would be really upsetting for him.

I think if he gets upset like that again, checking if he had a nasty/scary thought and if he did reassuring him that thoughts are just thoughts and not real - and that having a scary thought doesn't make him a bad person - might help him to feel better?

As for where he got the idea about death, he has probably seen dead insects for example, and has some rudimentary understanding that dead means broken or can't be fixed. If he's also seen that he can break things like toys, he could have put those things together to get an understanding that he can make things broken - and that this could include his mummy. Which is understandably very frightening for him. He may also be feeling worried about you if he knows you will be going to hospital to have the baby and knows that people go to hospital when they are sick/need something fixed.

tittybumbum · 10/03/2024 07:19

@MixedCouple

So I used 28 months instead of 2 becuase there is a big difference developmentally between a 24 month old and a 34 month old.

Most people would say 2.5year old tbf

Spudthespanner · 10/03/2024 07:42

We are pretty typical first time parents when DS is around we talk with him and dont really talk with each other. We save that for nap time / bedtime.

I don't even know what this means. If you're saying you and your husband don't have conversations of your own around your son then that's not typical at all. It's really weird.

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 10/03/2024 08:31

MixedCouple · 10/03/2024 00:25

@@FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain is that be suitable for his age. I wondered when is the time to have that discussion.

Indidnt have a visceral reaction when DS mentioned death. Just mentally I was like "oh what on earth". So he isn't feeding off my reaction.
Not a signs at I would ever discuss with DH infront of DS not had a need to. Not had any deaths in the family for years.

We are pretty typical first time parents when DS is around we talk with him and dont really talk with each other. We save that for nap time / bedtime.

Thank you everyone for your responses. Appreciate it.
If any new developments will update.

He's clearly already aware of the concept of death and something is upsetting him so the best way forward is to try to understand the cause if you can.

His dream about him hurting you and hurting the baby and that leading to your death has upset him.

Is he worried about the new baby?
Is he angry about something?
Has he heard about people dying and has fears that you will?

www.winstonswish.org/do-children-understand-death/

Safxxx · 10/03/2024 10:28

Can you possibly do a night time prayer 🙏 with him to help him sleep better

WatchandWaitorNot · 10/03/2024 10:32

Safxxx · 10/03/2024 10:28

Can you possibly do a night time prayer 🙏 with him to help him sleep better

Oh yes, let’s do the one called “A Child’s Prayer” that my Granny gave me a framed picture of when I was 4:

”Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I pray the Lord my soul to take”

That’s a LIFETIME of anxiety right there. cheers Gran.

WatchandWaitorNot · 10/03/2024 10:36

“Healthy Spirituality.com”

28 Month old speaking about death
KnittedCardi · 10/03/2024 11:38

OP, I did pick up on your avoidance of fiction. I think that is a shame. Fairy tales and fantasy are an excellent way to live through emotional experiences in a safe way.

Additionally to the "Dying Prayer" my two favourite fairy tales were The Little Match Girl and The Tin Soldier". Tragic little tales, always cry when I read them, even now, but read them to my DD's too.

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