HPV Vaccine

[Lucy43D]

Hi everyone, mum's, dad's,nans,grandads, uncles and aunts sisters brothers etc, my sons 12 and the school has sent home a vaccine card, for him to receive HPV, ,Tdap and MenACWY, now I'm relatively ok with Tdap as that's the booster for what was 3 in 1, tetanus etc, and THE menACWY is meningococcal ACWY...but my heads a little burnt out with the HPV, so I'm hoping to get some pros and cons from all you guys, see my daughter got HPV vaccine when it was introduced to school about 10 years ago and she was in bits afterwards for a long time (years)with side effects, massive headaches, mood swings depression etc so I'm hoping time has improved this vaccine but yes I'm very on the fence to let himself get it, so any views will be welcome TIA

My daughter had hers in that first set as well. Common? I know nobody who had any side effects - and I'm a teacher so that's every girl if that age (pretty much) in the entire school and since. I mean, all
Medicines have some chance of side effects but HPV doesn't have many. What exactly did your GP say? Those things don't seem like things which could be side effects of a vaccine.

15 years ago, I chose for my dd NOT to get a HPV vaccine (after consulting our GP) and she suffered from all the "side effects" that have been reported. When she was 18 I had to jump through hoops to get her a HPV catch up vaccine. But while I had to admit that it was my "hysteria" that prevented her from getting it in the first place I do believe if she had had it I would have absolutely attributed my DD's symptoms to the vaccine. But she had no medicine prior to changing utterly at about 14/15 and suffering ever since. So while her change was sudden and the effects awful and lasting to this day I cannot blame anything other than bad luck/chance.

Exactly this. It’s the same as people blaming measles vaccine for Autism. It is just coincidental that it is given at the time when you would naturally start to spot regression in kids with autism, and would have happened irrespective of the vaccine. Same with this. It’s the age it’s administered when things are going to go askew irrespective.

Yes my daughter was the same, and to this day she still has some effects and her monthly cycle for a young woman is horrendous, never had a problem with it prior to vaccine..my mind is so torn as I have asked friends who are guys only one said get it, my daughters boyfriend who's late 20s said no as he thinks my sons to young to have so many vaccines all at once as there will be 3 administered at once , so HPV, Tdap and MenACWY

You do know cycles can start out brilliantly and then go haywire at any point thereafter, or even years later?

What qualifications does your DD’s boyfriend have? Is he an immunologist or relevant specialist? If not, no idea why you would even ask/listen to him, let alone entertain any of his opinions.

It isn't and never should be a replacement for preventive screening
Exactly @MigGirl
I remember them being very, very clear when DD had the vaccination that it wouldn't remove the need for smear tests and we shouldn't think it did as that would be risky. It just reduced (massively) the chance of a positive one.
Now they don't even test smear samples for cancer/pre-cancerous cells
If they are negative for HPV. Makes me so cross. It's just not worth me having a smear any more as I haven't shown HOV in years and I'm not sexually active so won't have caught it. I could still have cervical cancer though.

Sorry, just read the thread and see you have addressed the issue re your DD’s boyfriend. It still stands though, you shouldn’t be basing a decision on internet randoms, or someone you ask in the queue for the bus, or other parents, or your DD’s boyfriend. You should be asking experts only.

No way would I even listen to DH’s opinions on vaccinations. He’s not qualified to have an opinion, that’s the end of it. I would listen to what the EXPERT national immunisation advisory body recommends as they have all relevant facts and data, are an independent medical body and advise government accordingly. If I had specific concerns relevant to my child, I would listen to an immunologist or a relevant specialist with an interest in this area, and maybe consult peer review journals. But my DH, who has zero relevant qualifications, not on your life. Ditto for internet randoms, the person in the bus queue and my DD’s boyfriend.

@cardibach it is wrong that anyone should have to resort to this, but you can pay privately to have the proper testing. I got a quote for around the 300 pound mark.

Just to note that strains of HPV can lay dormant. Since I last had sex I have had a negative result followed by a positive one.

My DS is 13 and has had all of these recently with no issues. I wouldn't have even considered him not having them.

It's all done and dusted now thanks to those who just gave their opinions and experiences, really appreciate it, my decision would never have been based on anything you guys or anyone else said including daughters boyfriend ( long term may I add) as I have stated it was just a little bit of how others went about it...but really there was no need to keep on having a go at my DD boyfriend and his opinion, he was talking to my son and it came up in conversation and later that night myself DD and the boyfriend were talking and it came up in conversation everyone had views...this post was about my 12 Yr not my Dd boyfriends, qualifications, expertise etc but I was more pleased to see he has an interest in what happens, because God forbid anything happens to it will be Dd and the boyfriend who will bring Ds up , so credit to the boyfriend for giving a poop! But thanks again everyone and have a good evening

Not wanting to dwell too much on my non-solo-sex history, but can they do that for 25 years?

From what she’s said elsewhere he just asked if she’d had the vaccine while examining her. She’s been asked a few times and hasn’t come up with anything more definitive.

“ HPV can stay dormant in your body without being detected, it is possible that you got it many years — even decades — ago but never knew you had it.”

Taken from here https://www.jostrust.org.uk/information/hpv/how-do-people-get-hpv .

I did some research on it after being diagnosed. It’s generally cleared by the body but not always and can sometimes resurface years later. Changes to the immune system can sometimes cause this.

FWIW after the last time I had sex and a negative smear result several months later, the next was positive for HPV but no abnormal cells, and the following year was positive plus borderline abnormal cells.

Yet wants to leave him vulnerable to some types of cancer.

I'm glad your son has had the vaccine

1 informed opinion is worth more than 100 uninformed opinions so whilst we all might be entitled to an opinion this is not the same as all opinions being equal!

@CadyEastman you seem to have a issue with my daughters boyfriend, I never said he didn't say have the vaccine he just was concerned that it was alot to have them all at once for his young age of 12, he never said don't get it! And like everyone else's opinion which is all it was in my own opinion it was valued...so if you can just leave it there please and thank you..

@cardibach I didn't pursue what my gp said, because after consulting with other parents some of their girls where alot worse, a few were left very mind altered mood swings and had self harmed. So I actually considered us to be lucky in some respect, as said by another poster just bad luck, a bad batch what ever it was it was a long time ago, my daughter is 24 now

Like I say. Teacher. Know literally hundreds (maybe thousands over the years) if girls who’ve had HPV vaccination. Not one has had anything like that. And your GP isn’t qualified to assess what’s caused by a vaccine and what isn’t.

@cardibach ,likewise also teacher, not gp or medically trained, he ( gp) just suggested, who am I to question him, 🤔 anyways that was then this is now, didn't post on here for any drama, towards boyfriends, gp's from 15yra ago or anything else just a bit of friendly advise opinions and experiences, which most of the posters gave me..!

@Simonjt never said he said dont have the vaccine he just was concerned that it was alot to have them all at once for his young age of 12, And like everyone else's , his opinion which is all it was valued...so if you can just leave it there thanks,

but my partner is against all vaccines

I'm very glad that you don't share his views. Does he not understand why and how smallpox has been eradicated, and why we don't see children in leg irons because they had polio?

Anti vaxxera baffle me, they really fucking do.

Me too. They seem incapable of critical thinking.

We didn’t have the HPV vaccine for any of our dc (they have other medical conditions and we just weren’t sure but fully vaccinated otherwise) and hopefully herd immunity is enough to protect them

That might work for diseases like whooping cough and measles, but not against HPV.

I think my daughter was due to have it in 2013 when she was 15 and I didn't want her to have it and she didn't want it either. Neither of us have regretted that decision.

Yet @MissRheingold
A family member had a head and neck cancer caused by HPV and had to undergo brutal surgery and several weeks of radiotherapy. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Is your daughter planning on becoming a nun?

@Lucy43D I'm glad you have had your DS vaccinated.

I'm pretty lenient with my 12 year old dd. Of she doesn't want her flu jab she doesn't have to have it. HPV is something she's just had. No choice in the matter and apart from a sore arm for a few days (she's a wimp) she's had no other side effects.

after consulting with other parents some of their girls where alot worse, a few were left very mind altered mood swings and had self harmed

Which has nothing to do with the vaccine and just co-incides with their age. They are teenage girls. Vaccine or no vaccine, you are going to get a majority who undergo severe mood swings and a decent proportion these days who self-harm. I’m surprised you didn’t throw eating disorders in as well.

@HoppingPavlova , if you haven't anything nice to say say nothing, my daughter was very well balanced before, I haven't blamed the vaccine I just mentioned side effects she'd acquired afterwards..it didn't change my view on how effective it is and how its saves lives, I just asked people's opinions because I haven't had to have my boy vaccinated for this and just wanted to touch base with other parents..and I'm also not a parent who is disillusioned but teenage hormonal changes either, nor do I run to the doctors with a broken finger nail...

@Lucy43D Calm the farm. Pointing out that in certain situations, the timing of vax’s, namely measles and HPV, coincides with organic processes that occur irrespective isn’t ’having nothing nice to say’. It’s stating a fact. Just because something doesn’t play to your narrative doesn’t mean you throw your toys out of your pram.