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Best Friend won't tell her child NO

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Hobblebobbly · 02/02/2024 10:10

I'm getting frustrated with my best friend as her whole life seems to be dominated by what her 5 year old wants and she never ever tells her no.

I try to avoid meeting up with her with our children because everything is dominated by her older child who seems to demand things all the time and she gives in otherwise she throws massive tantrums. Things like "Tilly wants to go into the café now so we need to go there."
"Tilly wants your child's trike (which I use instead of a pushchair for my youngest) so can she have it now?"
Then she will buy her endless things from machines and shops when we are out which pressures me as my children are allowed to only select one item now and then as the outing is the main treat. My friend just doesn't know how to say no. She's also allowed to skip having a main meal for lunch completely and just have a slice of cake, which I won't allow and then my children complain as they want the same.

She has also told me that her daughter's school have said that her behaviour is sometimes a problem as she won't follow instructions (not surprising). But my friend has convinced herself that all children misbehave at school at her age. I know they don't as I've never had bad reports from school about my two eldest childrens' behaviour.

She also calls me to chat at times and is upset because she's struggling with the chaos of everything and yet, the primary issue is that she needs to stop just doing whatever her child wants to do all the time. Her weekends seem to be governed by her child's demands to go to certain places and do certain things which she's having to juggle with a 2 year old in tow. This is to a point where they will stay out late and bypass bedtime regularly because her daughter "wanted to do X." Her husband is often away on long business trips (which we both suspect he's dragging out unnecessarily) she must find things tough, but when he's home he seems to be the same. There is very little proactive parenting going on at all. I have been quite blunt recently and told her- just tell her no. She seems stumped when I say this and goes quiet and then will change the topic as if she couldn't even consider telling her no.

I'm finding it a bit tricky as we've always been close, I've always loved and respected her but I'm quite flummoxed at her parenting. Mainly because we are both social workers so we have to speak to other parents about parenting etc and she seems to completely grasp that other parents need to have boundaries with their children and healthy patterns. Yet, she isn't doing this with her own child. It's as if self awareness is non-existant. It is affecting my relationship with her because I keep having to make excuses not to meet up with her when she's with the children. Also, I'm not sure what to say to her when she's telling me about how she's finding this tough, other than to say "start saying no."

Any thoughts?

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poodlyschmoodly · 02/02/2024 13:58

Scottishskifun · 02/02/2024 10:16

Absolute rubbish!

This 'parenting today' vibe makes me chuckle.

When I was in history class years back the teacher dug out a first person account of how the youth in his town were running amok, swearing, making a mess, they had no standards, were disrespectful and the parents didn't set boundaries.

This teacher asked who we thought wrote this essay, and we guessed.

The answer was it was a 12th century monk. People have always thought the world was going to hell in a handcart!

Hobblebobbly · 02/02/2024 14:13

@IHateLegDay I can absolutely see this could be the case with my friend too.

My eldest is autistic @poodlyschmoodly although we haven't had to deal with the violent outbursts as such, more stimming and not fitting in with social expectations, late on reaching milestones etc.

I can assure you that her child seems to be very neurotypical. Just spoilt.

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Flatulence · 02/02/2024 14:16

I'm the fun weekend auntie who spoils my nieces rotten but even I say 'no' to them a LOT.
No, they can't stay for 5 more mins on the swings as we'll miss the train. No they can't just have cake for lunch. No they can't have yet more coins for the 2p machines...

You can still have fun and be kind and caring while saying 'no' to things.

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JaneLawrence · 02/02/2024 14:17

I’ve got a friend who’s like this with her DC.

In the end I just stopped meeting up with her if I knew she’d be likely to have her DC in tow. We still meet up regularly, but child free.
If she’s talking about her DC and his behaviour, I tend to just make non-committal responses and change the subject as soon as I can do so politely.

She’s started saying that her DC has PDA now, after she’s read about it on the internet. Maybe he does have some sort of special need, I don’t know, but I’m a bit sceptical given that she’s also said that he’s not been assessed by anyone for PDA and that she’s not planning on trying to get him assessed for anything.

Hobblebobbly · 02/02/2024 14:17

You're right @Tempnamechng the only boundaries I have control over are mine- I think that's good advice.

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NoOrdinaryMorning · 02/02/2024 16:46

Naptrappedmummy · 02/02/2024 10:11

Yeah this sums up parenting today unfortunately.

Speak for yourself!

poodlyschmoodly · 02/02/2024 16:59

Hobblebobbly · 02/02/2024 14:13

@IHateLegDay I can absolutely see this could be the case with my friend too.

My eldest is autistic @poodlyschmoodly although we haven't had to deal with the violent outbursts as such, more stimming and not fitting in with social expectations, late on reaching milestones etc.

I can assure you that her child seems to be very neurotypical. Just spoilt.

Fair enough, spoilt brats exist too 😂

Though, for balance, so do kids who are very high needs / low frustration tolerance / demand avoidant / oppositional even if they aren't neurodiverse and they are hard work to parent.

Not all parents are equal. but not all kids are either.

I know some rubbish parents who were lucky enough to be blessed with compliant little angels who love reading and colouring and maths. And some great parents who's kids are tazmanian devils (I'd obviously class myself among these lol) and everything in between.

And OBVIOUSLY it's the ones who have the compliant angels who try and educate me (with my devils) on their parenting style whilst they're there glass in wine and fag in hand, ignoring their offspring and chatting to me about how they do gentle parenting or whatever gumph whilst I'm there attending, gently reinforcing boundaries, modelling good behaviour, saying 'kind hands' or 'let's not... (jump on the table / play with that / throw that)' and I do feel slightly hard done by that they were just lucky they got a calm kid whilst mine is nuts 🙃

bakewellbride · 02/02/2024 20:14

I used to know someone like this. Her own exact words 'I can't ever say no to him'

He was a toddler and the things he was allowed to do were insane. If he wanted chocolate ice cream and nothing else for breakfast he did it. They once all stayed in the living room until 1am with the train set because'that's what he wanted to do'.

Sleepproblems · 02/02/2024 20:17

Naptrappedmummy · 02/02/2024 10:11

Yeah this sums up parenting today unfortunately.

How silly. Clearly not or else the OP would be parenting the same

DinnaeFashYersel · 02/02/2024 20:25

Naptrappedmummy · 02/02/2024 10:11

Yeah this sums up parenting today unfortunately.

No it doesn't.

How silly.

Inmyownlittlecorner · 02/02/2024 20:37

I have a friend who parented like this. Her DC is now a teenager & is absolutely awful. My friend still can't say no. DC has everything they want, when school complain about their behaviour my friend refuses to believe that her child would ever behave badly despite constant unpleasant behaviour at home. Having friends over, getting drunk, friends throwing up everywhere, trashing the bedroom. My friend just cleans up & DC continue doing whatever they want.

johnd2 · 02/02/2024 21:41

Interesting that you are complaining about your friend's boundaries but you can't see your own triggers (actually that's totally normal, otherwise they wouldn't blind us as much)
I don't go for the whole fairness argument with kids, they will find whatever excuse they like to get something they want, and since the "it's not fair they have one" argument seems to work, kids will use it all the time. Teach your children that your rules apply to them, they can ask for things but no means no. If them asking for things triggers you, then work on that.
Regarding your friend complaint, you don't have to give a solution. You only feel like you need to because her parenting is already annoying you. If you weren't so invested then you would be a better listener. Smile and nod (and change the topic!)
Good luck!

Desertislandparadise · 07/05/2024 10:48

If you feel like you need/want to intervene in some way, perhaps best to frame it as an outside source. E.g. You've read a book and found it very helpful, would you friend like to borrow it?

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