Newborn- sleeping arrangements

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5 months pregnant FTM and starting to discuss set up for when baby here. I would like to breastfeed but also express/formula so DH can do his share too. He will be back at work after 2 weeks paternity so we are probably a pretty typical set up.
We have a large master bedroom and 2 smaller single rooms one of which will be the nursery. I'm thinking the one 'on shift' would sleep with the baby in the nursery (we can fit a single bed and a moses basket in there just) we can then move the moses basket downstairs during the day.
The other option is a next to me crib in our room which would probably be better for my turns if BF. But we have 2 dogs that sleep on our bed and turfing them out wouldnt be easy or really fair on them imo and we thought having a room that is baby's from the beginning may help when settling baby in to own room later on..
I don't even know if it's possible to breast and bottle feed successfully?
What did/are you doing? What worked and didn't? Guess every baby and set up is different.

Honestly, you'll have less control than you think and you can just play it by ear and get by any way you can.

You will be better off trying to breastfeed exclusively at first until it gets established. I had to express milk because my DD wasn't getting enough, but I feel like it really interfered with the breastfeeding. If you want to then introduce a bottle later, be aware that until at least 12 weeks, your supply is more sensitive to demand, so your milk supply will dwindle more if you don't use it. Your potential milk supply potential is built up in the first 12 weeks. After the first few months, your supply becomes a bit more stable. You can do mixed feeding of course, but better to get bf established first and avoid nipple confusion/preference.

Baby is best next to you in your room for as long as possible. You should start to make changes to prepare your dogs early on, so they are used to the cot there and any changes, so they don't associate them negatively with the baby arriving on the scene?

Thank you @NoCloudsAllowed I'm aware things won't go to plan I just like to have one to at least start with. I have lots of family members with kids and they have all done things differently but the ones that were structured from the beginning seemed to be most successful further down the line.
@UpsyDaisysarmpit thanks I don't have any concerns with the dogs and if they need to have their sleeping arrangements altered so be it, I could just do without the sleepless nights before the sleepless nights!
Re Breastfeeding I have been told introduce bottle straight away and don't introduce bottle straightaway..it's a minefield! I have a very close and involved family who would love to help with feeding as would DH..and I'm sure I'll be grateful for it.. hopefully I can sort something.

Master bedroom was babies “base” until 6m. Whoever was on shift was in there or we all struggled together 😅

babies come with accessories so I wanted space…

adults just need a bed to sleep

on the feeding you will work it out as you go…

Breastfeeding can be combined with bottle if you want to. BUT breasts are not like tins of formula that you can just get milk from whenever in whatever quantities (from no feeds to all feeds) you want at the precise moment you want it. Removing milk from your breasts (by having your baby nurse or by using a pump) signals your body to make more milk. And of you don’t feed then that triggers your body to make less milk. So you can’t have family to visit all day one day and let them do lots of formula feeds and then go back to breastfeeding the next day with no issues. It doesn’t work like that. You could set a (rough) time everyday to give a bottle of formula.
A little bit of milk is stored in your breasts but most is actually made during the feed, starting with loads at the beginning when the let down reflex happens. It’s quite incredible really, your breasts will go from being a bit full feeling to rock hard and need to feed/pump NOW in seconds. You might also find you leak significant amounts of milk when this happens, especially in the first few weeks/months. Your baby crying will trigger let down, especially if it’s been a little while (2/3/4 hours) since the last feed. This will happen before your baby actually starts feeding.
When you start breastfeeding and discover the reality of how supply and demand and letdowns actually work, suddenly the idea of ´having a break’ while someone else gives your baby a bottle because far less appealing or even infuriating. Because you are sitting there with all this milk ready to go or starting to leak, and feeling a physical and psychological need to feed your baby now, and someone else is wanting to feed your baby a bottle and deprive you of that while also expecting you to feel grateful for the ´break’.

Many mums combi feed for a variety of reasons. My preemie twins had both as soon as they were able to feed.

As others have said, breast feeding works on supply and demand. So combi feeding usually works best when it is a particular time they have a bottle. Doing alternate night a won't work well - you'll have rock hard, painful, leaking breasts. Not a good recipe for sleep! It works better to split the night - whoever is better at staying up late takes the first shift e.g. 7pm to midnight. Then the other person takes over. If your DH is taking relatively 2 weeks, if you are dlexible enough to have an early night he should probably do the evening shift while you have an early night, then you do midnight to 6am and then he does the early morning bottle before I goes to work. He'll get better sleep than you, but you'll still get a decent block and can have a nap during the day.

Baby won't notice where they sleep for the first 3 months or so. As long as it's cosy one room is the same as another!

Expressing is incredibly tough if it's a lot of bottles. It's extra washing and sterilizing and can be uncomfortable and time consuming.

Factors include birth - if you have c section or severe birth injuries then you might not want a next to me right away.

How baby sleeps. You might want to feed then let dh rock baby etc to sleep and burp, do nappy changes.

How dogs respond. I don't know about this, I'm sure there are tips about preparing them but you might need one of you to sleep with them separately.

How breastfeeding goes. Bf is worthwhile but can be incredibly hard. I was put on a schedule where I fed then pumped as dh gave the bottle I pumped after the last feed. Then sterilising pump and bottles. Every three hours, 24 hours a day. Plus nappy changes and burping etc. This kind of thing doesn't lend itself to a shift plan, you just go into survival mode because you can sleep maybe one hour in three if you're lucky.

Really, dh and family wanting to feed baby should be quite far down your list of priorities. You're a mother and baby duo, and that's the main thing in early months. If you decide bottle feeding is right for you then that's fine, but make what's best for you and the baby the deciding factor.

If bf is hard, it's very very easy for family to talk you out of it if there isn't a culture of bf in your family. Again, fine if that's what you want but make sure you're not just talked into it.

Thanks for the replies my family are not against BF at all both my sister's breastfed but my SIL didn't. I was thinking more for me being able to have a few hours break and grandparents will be a massive help as childcare so want them to feel involved from the start. I think maybe if all goes as it should (and I am well aware it doesn't always!) then maybe I'll plan to almost exclusively (with set times for bottles) BF for the 1st few weeks/months and go from there.
As for sleeping arrangements we are clearing both spare rooms out (amazing how much crap 2 people can accumulate!) So we at least have somewhere to put all the 'stuff' as I am gathering little bits when I see them in the sale here and there.

Your husband and family can help in plenty of ways that don’t involve you having to do the extra effort of combi or triple feeding, they can do nappy changes, burping baby if it’s needed, baths, cooking, cleaning, tidying, etc, while you relax and focus on recovery, newborn cuddles and establishing breastfeeding if that’s what you want to do. They can all feel involved without having to do bottles, I never really understand that, why feeding equates to the only way to bond with a baby.

Expressing so that someone else can give a bottle is not having a break. Expressing is uncomfortable, time consuming and wasteful - particularly in the early days.

The best break anyone can give you is doing most or all the nappies

Honestly shift sleeping with a newborn and the work set up you described is you feed baby around 8 and go to bed until next feed, then hubby goes to bed and gets up
A couple of hours before he needs to leave for work and you go back to bed then. It's very unlikely you can make your shift bedroom work unless you bottle feed and have a unicorn baby who will sleep in a Moses basket

We introduced a bottle of expressed milk for the first feed of the day at the weekends at 3 weeks and she took to it well ast first but reflux and allergies resulted in bottle aversions. All of my friends that waited until after 6 weeks never got their babies to take bottles at all.

Expressing broadly doesn't reduce your load it just shifts it to another time. I expressed in the evening to be given the next day and then expressed when I woke up anyway but it did allow me to get a better chunk of sleep.

In the middle of the night it is so much easier to breastfeed but the first or last feed of the night/day can allow you to get some better chunks of sleep.

We coslept from 4 weeks as I was having it sit up for at least an hour to get her back into her cot after each feed which only left me with an hour's sleep in each of her 3h feed cycle. Cosleeping meant I got closer to 2h in 3h

If you breastfeed longterm then you can get much much more flexible with it. Like if you’re still breastfeeding an 18month old you could probably go away for the night and not feed or pulp for 24 hours and then pick it back up again with little discomfort and no supply issues. It’s a different story at 6months. That would be painful and you’d have to pump. But you could definitely leave the baby for a few hours. All day at work if you could get maybe 2 breaks to pump.

Basically I wouldn’t worry much about getting grandparents or partner involved in bottles from the start. You could try 1 bottle of something (expressed milk or formula) a day from a few weeks old so you are confident your baby will take a bottle. Then say yes to offers to look after baby and do feeds when it suits you - likely when you want to leave the house without your baby. Don’t get sucked into other people giving bottles unless you’re getting something positive out of it too. If it’s just that someone wants to experience feeding the baby and it’s going to cause you discomfort, then they wait till a time that will actually help you.

Again, thanks everyone there's a lot of great advice there I guess it's a case of doing what's best for our individual situation. Everyone has a different way of doing things I've had dogs forever and it's a similar situation with puppies! (Kind of!)
We are preparing our spare room so we have somewhere for the baby stuff and for one of us to sleep, the finer details we can sort nearer the time.