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wasanneofcleves · 15/01/2024 21:52

I've got two toddlers aged 4 and 2. We need car seats for our second car. Ideally they wouldn't be as massive as the ones we have for our main car (Silver Cross and Britax) and would allow us to move them in and out of the car more easily. I've started researching and I've fallen into a total black hole and don't seem to be able to work out what's best. The likes of John Lewis don't seem to sell some of the brands that are recommended on certain sites where much smaller European brands are recommended, the "which" 2024 recommendations all seem to be about £400 which unfortunately is out of budget for us as we need two, and then Halfords has all sorts of other brands which appear to meet Ri29 standards (which seem to be the most up to date?) yet some of them are vastly cheaper eg safe and cozy brand. Cheap would normally mean sub standard to me but then they seem to meet the highest standard so does that mean they are just as good?? Im lost!! Any recommendations or advice?

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lochmaree · 15/01/2024 21:58

two Axkid Moves? They are usually £180-220. Not the easiest to move around but not too difficult and if you're moving between cars then spare tethers will speed it up considerably.

If the 4yo is FF then maybe

  • avionaut maxspace
  • Britax kid fix
  • axkid next kid (though doesn't have a crotch strap)
  • besafe flex fit

The above depends on if the 4yo will sit sensibly with a seatbelt (ie not a harness). If you need a harnessed FF seat then I am no use 😂 (I was researching FF belt seats yesterday!)

lochmaree · 15/01/2024 21:59

Also I wouldn't go by Which recommendations, use the ADAC scores. 😊

MyCatIsPlotting · 15/01/2024 22:03

I can recommend the Axkid Move for ERF and Britax Kidfix for FF (it’s a high back booster). We have both and the Britax is a dream to fit. The Axkid is more fiddly but perfectly feasible if you get two sets of tethers.

Don’t get a Joie Stages. It’s massive in comparison (we have a small car and wouldn’t even fit RF with the seatbelt).

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wasanneofcleves · 15/01/2024 22:03

What is AdAC?! See I'm clueless!! When you say a bit heavy...how heavy are we talking? I struggle to move the britax and silver cross ones on my own and they are so clunky there's no way they would fit in the boot for example.

Both of them FF...I understand it's not recommended for children under 4 but they have both hated the car and car seats and made our life hell in the car until they forward face.

I'm also expecting another baby so any recommendations for newborn seats would also be appreciated!

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NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:11

If you're on Facebook, the group Car Seat Advice UK is excellent.

Do you know what sort of centiles your children are on for weight and height?
Are they rear or forward facing atm? Are you looking for rear or forward facing seats?

Look at the brand Joie; their seats are generally good value with good safety ratings.

I rate Britax as a brand, we've used the Britax Max Way Plus (excellent seat, no longer available sadly) and now have the Britax Kidfix I-Size HBB for my 6yo. They are our main seats, though (just the one car) so you might not want to spend that much for spares.

NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:12

Also, pedantic point, but 4 is not a toddler... is your 4yo recently turned 4, or nearly 5?

wasanneofcleves · 15/01/2024 22:13

NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:12

Also, pedantic point, but 4 is not a toddler... is your 4yo recently turned 4, or nearly 5?

She's actually not quite 4 (she will be in a few weeks)

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NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:17

Ok so you will need to keep her in a harnessed seat, then. Still too young for a HBB IMO.

NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:23

If you want to keep them forward-facing, I suggest you look at the Britax Advansafix or Versafix.

NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:38

NameChange30 · 15/01/2024 22:23

If you want to keep them forward-facing, I suggest you look at the Britax Advansafix or Versafix.

Or the evolvafix... I'm a bit confused by all the different Britax seats which seem to be very similar Grin

Or this
https://www.maxi-cosi.co.uk/car-seats/titan-i-size

Titan i-Size

Titan i-Size has been designed to protect, comfort and last. This multi-age, group 1-2-3 car seat, is built to the highest i-Size safety standards and provides safety & comfort for children aged 15months to 12 years. Titan i-Size has G-CELL technology...

https://www.maxi-cosi.co.uk/car-seats/titan-i-size

lochmaree · 15/01/2024 23:06

wasanneofcleves · 15/01/2024 22:03

What is AdAC?! See I'm clueless!! When you say a bit heavy...how heavy are we talking? I struggle to move the britax and silver cross ones on my own and they are so clunky there's no way they would fit in the boot for example.

Both of them FF...I understand it's not recommended for children under 4 but they have both hated the car and car seats and made our life hell in the car until they forward face.

I'm also expecting another baby so any recommendations for newborn seats would also be appreciated!

ADAC is a more detailed car seat testing, you can look up the scores of seats you're interested in to help make your decision.

Newborn seats

  • avionaut pixel Pro
  • besafe stretch B (goes up to 125cm/36kg!)

But depends if you need to fit 3 across the back, which configuration, if you want an iso fix base, or to leave the seat in the car... etc.!

wasanneofcleves · 16/01/2024 07:21

@lochmaree for the newborn seat I need to buy our primary seat for the new baby. I've got a seat we had for our first two (a Nuna) but they both hated it so I'm going to buy a new one in the hope that it was the seat they hated not the car! The one we already have will be used as our second seat when needed. We are going to buy a new car and the working assumption is that we will get a seven seater which will hopefully mean we don't need to move our our primary car seats much. Having said that, I do think it's useful to be able to move a newborn car seat if you need to eg if they are asleep on arrival and you want to be able to unclip the car seat and take it in to wherever you're going.

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bobomomo · 16/01/2024 07:36

What weight is your nearly 4 year old? The next stage starts at 15kg so if under you may be better waiting, especially as space will be at a premium with the new baby or you need a harnessed seat.

We had light children so had the precursor to the Joie elevate for ours (extended rear facing hadn't been invented) and they were in them until around age 11.

wasanneofcleves · 16/01/2024 07:58

Sorry so to clarify...the x2 seats for my two DDs (aged 4 and 2) will be for our second car. They will also need to be moved into grandparents cars sometimes so I would like them to be as light as possible whilst also being as safe as possible.

The seat for my newborn will be the primary seat but I would like to be able to move the actual seat part when we get to baby classes or wherever we are going.

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wasanneofcleves · 16/01/2024 07:59

bobomomo · 16/01/2024 07:36

What weight is your nearly 4 year old? The next stage starts at 15kg so if under you may be better waiting, especially as space will be at a premium with the new baby or you need a harnessed seat.

We had light children so had the precursor to the Joie elevate for ours (extended rear facing hadn't been invented) and they were in them until around age 11.

I think she is just 15kg...

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olderthanyouthink · 16/01/2024 08:32

Some considerations

Most FF harnessed seats now have 105cm height limit, this maybe be outgrown soon for the older one

Older one also too young to safely use a high back booster and adult belt. Both in bone maturity and probably "sit still and don't mess with the belt" maturity

The highly recommended RF seats have more leg room so might be better comfort wise for them, there are some independent car seat people who can come to you and try seats in your car with your kids

If you can find one the old Joie bold might work for the older one, no height limit and higher weight limit.

There's a new seat coming called the BeSafe Beyond, it will have isofix and FF/RF with a harness to 22/23kg and 125cm but it's probably not going to be cheap but that would work I think.

Newborn seats recommended in car seat groups
Avionaut pixel or cosmo
Maxi cosi cabriofix
Cybex cloud
I think any of the britax infant seats

BertieBotts · 18/01/2024 11:20

Agree Maxi Cosi Titan isize or Britax Evolvafix are probably the best seats for your 2 and 4 year old. I would keep 4yo in a harness if they are only just 15kg. These seats are about £150 so not hugely expensive, but worth doing the jump from the £80/100/120 sort of range - you get quite a substantial improvement in safety over that type.

Does the car have top tether attachments?

BertieBotts · 18/01/2024 11:38

The thing about the R129 standard being "best" is a little bit misunderstood.

Basically, all car seats, being an essential safety item must meet a minimum level of safety. You know like there are safety regulations for all kinds of items - riding helmets, climbing harnesses, mattresses, cots, CE mark on toys, kite mark on condoms, even components of cars themselves.

Children's car safety seats are the same, and we've recently (ish) had an update to the current regulation. It used to be R44.04 and now it's R129.

R129 is more up to date than R44, which means that it's a bit more stringent and a higher standard. If you have a choice between an R129 standard seat and an R44 standard seat, it might be that the R129 seat is better (though, honestly, not always). However these are just the minimum safety requirement. What they basically say is that any seat that doesn't meet these standards is so unsafe that it's illegal to use or sell it.

Because R44 is older, there are very few seats left on the market approved to that regulation. So saying "Has R129 - safest standard!" is a bit like marketing a car by saying "Contains seatbelts and airbags!" - YES - those are important safety features. But they are also very, very standard, and nothing to get excited about.

People are talking about ADAC because ADAC is the German version of AA (motoring club) - twice a year, they crash test a selection of children's car seats and sell the results all around Europe to various publications. In the UK, they are published by Which? - Which? add their own criteria and commentary on the results, usually for things like user-friendliness etc. So if you want to know how good a car seat is compared to other car seats, ADAC or Which? are good places to look for info. They have safety ratings "very good" "good" "satisfactory" (OK) "sufficient" (barely passes) "insufficient" (failed).

In addition to this, as you've found, there is a history in Scandanavia of rear facing car seats - just happened to be that way, most developed countries independently developed car safety seats for children in the 1970s, most of them forward facing just as the adults are in the car. Sweden by some chance the first designer was inspired by rear facing astronaut seats, and developed their rear facing child car seat in the 1960s - this stuck. In the mid 80s, child seat standards were developed in North America and Europe where child seats had to conform to that safety standard. Because Sweden was outside of the EU at this time, they kept their own independent safety rating. When they joined the EU in the 90s, they had to adopt the European safety standard, even though it was technically lower than their own standard - so they developed an optional, consumer test that companies can put their seats through to show that they meet the higher standards of the old, original Swedish standard. This has also been developed and refined over the years and is called the Swedish plus test. Plus test is considered the highest marker for safety, better than a "very good" ADAC rating. However, these seats are all rear facing, so no use to you if you need forward facing seats.

I would personally in your case look for brands/models which have performed well with ADAC (Britax, Maxi Cosi and Recaro are all good for forward facing) and avoid the brands which tend to do less well with ADAC (the generic brands, of which Cozy and Safe are one, tend not do do so well here).

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