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please help me - grumpy 5 year old is now a swearing 5 yr old and it is so NOT funny

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tummytickler · 18/03/2008 20:29

Hi,
I really need some help and advice here as dh is not taking it seriously at all and thinks i am getting myself all worked up for nothing.
Since starting school my ds (5.3 years) has become REALLY angry - as soon as i pick him up he is cross and shouting and kicking things and if he trips or drops somethjing he will scream at me and tell me it is my fault. If i tell him off he laughs in my face, or he runs away, or carries on with what he is doing. This is mainly the walk to and from school and at home - if we are out at the weekend or holidays he is much better.
If at home i send him to his room and if out i hiss at him a lot and make idle threats ( eg 'i will take you home to see your Dad').
A month ago it all came to a head when dh was at work and ds swore and was being foul all day. I ended up chasing him up to his bedroom and smacking him. It really scared him (and me) and i phoned dh crying saying i couldn't cope and since then all ha been calmer.
But it is all starting again this time with more swearing, he called his TA a bitch , says fuck, sexy, shit, dickhead to name a few choice examples.
Some of these he may have picked up at home (the odd 'oh shit' may have slipped out once or twice), but the others are coming from school.
I have spoken to the teacher and we have identified a few culprits and they will be seperated next year.
I just dont know what to do my lovely sweet young chap is turning into the horible monsterous type of child that i wouldn't have in my house nad i really dont want him to be the 'naughty' child at school, whom other parents avoid.
He can be so loving and sweet - i just dont know what to do - dd was never like this and i am stuck.
Thanks

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libEL · 18/03/2008 21:37

Similarities there with my dd (4.9yrs) since she started school in January

Its also my fault if she trips up, drops her book bag, has to go swimming at school (friday is a particularily bad morning!) and anything else she can think of

We have the tummy ache story every morning - dd 'my tummy hurts, I cant go to school' me 'well if its bad at school the teacher will phone me' dd screaming/stropping/banging doors etc

She has also started to come out with the odd swear word if she's angry or upset

The naughty step seems to work, she does eventually calm down and apologise but it is worse when we are on way to/from school. I just stop and refuse to carry on walking until she calms down, but this is mortally embarrassing for me as the other parents are all passing by, smiling sympathetically while dd continues her tantrum

I have been putting her to bed earlier for for the past week and her mood does seem to have improved slightly so am thinking maybe the longer days have just been tiring her out and making her grumpy - well am keeping my fingers crossed as its really starting to grate!

Maybe worth considering?

Hope things improve a bit soon for you

tummytickler · 18/03/2008 21:55

Doodle - i only slapped once and will not do it again - it was awful. Alsothey cant be put into seperate classes until September when the one reception class gets devided between three yr 1/2 classes, although they are being seprarated as much as poss in activities etc and we no longer do playdates with them.
We do the snack and drink after school.
I am going to sit with dh tomorrow and do some basic house rules and write them down - thanks - maybe are rules are a bit hazy and not explicit enugh for a 5 year old.

libEL - thanks for reply - nice to know i am not the only one - being blamed for everything is really hard isn't it? I swing from ignoring it to occassionally it really winds me up.
Fridays are also hard for us - afternoons on fridays are nearly a trip to the park and a snuggle on the sofa with cartoons.
We have also done earlire bedtime - 6.45 to be in bed by 7pm.

Thanks for advice - any more is very welcome!

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Alambil · 18/03/2008 23:55

TBH if my ds got caught talking to another human being like that he'd get more than a smack (and I wouldn't feel bad)!! He'd get the smack and a punishment and made to apologise to the person the next time they saw them. He'd then get spoken to and made to realise that if he ever did it again, next time's punishment would be ten times worse.

In fact, I've had a similar situation with DS listening to bullies and being made the scape-goat. I've told him that if he EVER behaves in that way again, he will to face my wrath, quite frankly (I put it in terms he will understand of course!)

From that day (of the discussion - in January) to this, he has not once stepped out of line on that issue and has started to stand up to the bullies.

Have you tried the "ton of hot bricks" approach and made a huge impact on him? I find that every once in a while issues arise that need a short sharp shock punishment/reaction and then the message gets through.

Also, if you say he'll face his dad, then make him face his dad - I remember being told that my dad was going to get a report on how I'd behaved each day at about your DS's age; it didn't half make a difference!!

When you say Friday afternoons are "nearly" trips to the park and snuggles etc does that mean they don't happen? I think that if you say something will happen - even if it's just a DVD or something, then it should happen to stop your DS learning that threats and treats are just empty words(?)

Could you do a sticker chart that every day he comes out of school with a good report, he gets a sticker - he needs 3 out of 5 for the first week to get a treat (sweets/magazine - not something huge) then by the end of the month, he needs 5 out of 5 and will get a big treat (cinema/bowling etc)?

I put DS to bed at 6 30 most nights and find that any later than 7pm is just not going to work - he usually goes up at 6 30 and is actually asleep by 6 45, so perhaps you need to bring bedtime forward some more? I don't know - only you know how much sleep your DS needs.

tummytickler · 19/03/2008 19:02

Oh - i meant fridays are usually a trip to the park not nearly ! Thankyou Lewisfan. I will try the daily report to father tip - that is a good idea.

He also was made to apologise to his TA, his teacher and the headmaster abput the bitch thing - i was fuming and he spent the afternoon sitting alone as i could not face him i was so angry. Then i talked to him about how his TA must have felt and he seemed genuinely upset by that.

I am thinking about toys going in the bin (to charity shop) as a potential punishment. It should really hit home (and we need a clear out he has far to many). Is this cruel?

Apologise for astonishingly bad typing and spelling - i dont know what has gotten into me. Not wine unfortunately

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