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Friends spoiled kid/s - how to deal with it?

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dasza79 · 12/01/2024 10:42

Hello...
Mostly to get it off my chest but also maybe for a bit of advice on how to handle it?
For starters - I'm in general not very patient with certain type of a child - whiny, demanding, disrespectful, overly fussy - all of these get my knickers in a twist. My own are clearly not perfect, I'm sure some people don't like them much and obviously we mess them up for the future in our own ways. But they are brought up to understand from a very early age that "I want doesn't get" and the basic level of respect for everyone around them, manner don't cost anything and basically don't be a jerk as a rule of thumb.
We've befriended a family 2 years ago. I do like the parents a lot, especially the mum. She's a hardworking, lovely woman, smart and nice to talk to. She's very lonely where we live (complicated situation - they're refugees who don't speak local language, it just so happened that we can communicate in my native language, a crazy coincidence) and seeks contact with me.
The thing is that I can't stand her precious little daughter :-( Blonde, blue eyed, cute until you know she bites and kicks kids in nursery (my own boy came back with a bite mark on his face when he was still in nursery). I have never heard her saying "please" or "thank you", it's always "I want" and "give me", on rare occasion her demands aren't met immediately there is screaming and kicking, punching and biting. She's very tall for 4 years yet her mum (a petite woman not much bigger than her kids) has to carry her everywhere (dad is not desired by the child to serve as a pony). They used to be very well off and never refused the kids any wishes in shops, now they're really tight on money and the only way they can avoid spending on rubbish toys played with for 5 minutes is by not taking kids to the shops with them. It's one of those families where "no" is a dirty word when used for kids, acts of physical violence by kids are justified in any way possible and teachers are scolded for "inappropriate" punishments - eg, the girl kicked a boy in the face, breaking his glasses, the teachers told her off and slapped her hand, mum gt upset with the teacher...
On top of that the dad is not coping very well with their situation and is of not help whatsoever, with house, kids, money... It's all on this poor woman's head and I wish I could be of more help. Like, take her kid for a week and return it well behaved and helpful (just kidding of course).
She often asks me how is it that my kids are so well behaved, don't scream and shout and do as told without fighting it. She also often wonders why her kids are never happy with anything, always moaning and wanting more toys and attention... Both her and her husband read a lot about parenting prior to having kids and I feel they might have been royally effed up by the "gentle parenting" advice.
I'd love to talk to her more openly - mostly to help her see that parenting does not have to equal slavery and she can still work with her children to make them more bearable, respectful and easy to handle. But how does one do that? Clearly parenting is the most sensitive issue there is to address with friends. Usually it's possible to kind of step back a bit, in her case I'm literally the only person she can socialize with.
Thoughts? Your patience in reading is appreciated :-)

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Spirallingdownwards · 12/01/2024 10:48

I am going to guess she is Ukrainian because having hosted Ukrainians the no please/thank you thing seems to be the norm. I think culturally it's not necessarily a thing they do and the direct translation doesn't therefore work.

As for the rest a nursery teacher should not be slapping a child anyway. But I agree if rhe child is being violent the nursery should be dealing with this and keeping your child safe there. If you think you aren't able to when you meet up then I would just not meet up with the kids anymore.

Drummend01 · 12/01/2024 11:41

She sounds like a brat, sad that the parents have allowed her to be that way but I honestly would just leave it, unless she directly comes to you and asks for advice on what she could do differently, I wouldn’t get involved. And if you find it hard to be around her child then suggest meeting up with her for a child free occasion and limit the socialisation opportunities that involve your children.

BUT a teacher should never slap a child. Regardless of what that child has done. The parents have a right to report the teacher for that and be annoyed.

takealettermsjones · 12/01/2024 11:52

I think the only way you could do it is if she asks you again how your children are so well behaved, you say "oh I read this book/did this course/followed this advice etc and it really helped me" and then send her a link. Other than that I don't think you can really tell someone else how to parent... I sympathise though!

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gentlemum · 12/01/2024 13:39

I don't think you understand what gentle parenting is so don't say they parents have been 'royally effed up by the gentle parenting advice'. What they're doing (no boundaries, never saying no, allowing child to be rude/disrespectful/aggressive/violent) is not at all gentle parenting. In fact if they actually followed gentle parenting advice that would hugely help as it definitely involves having boundaries and saying no and not allowing violent and disrespectful behaviour.

dasza79 · 12/01/2024 13:43

I see cultural differences in parenting between Eastern Europe and Western Europe in general. I'm from the former, but lived and started family in the UK. In my experience there is more of coddling approach to kids in the East, less expectations of independence or self reliance from them, and treating them like small children for longer, which includes not expecting them to have good.manners. I think it's possible that this was one of the reasons I was very opposed to having kids in the past. Now I wish I had more :-).

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dasza79 · 12/01/2024 13:46

We live in Portugal now. The physical punishment of kids isn't completely gone from education system yet. Overall I don't agree with it either but I've been told that many parents openly allow teachers to slap their kids and culturally it is still acceptable to some level.

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dasza79 · 12/01/2024 13:51

You're right, I'm not certain what gentle parenting means.
From conversations I had with them I know they've put a lot of thought behind the way they brought up their kids. Don't know what books they read that led to belief that to create a strong, independent and happy child one must always be at it's service and violence is a sign of strong character rather than a worrying personality trait that needs urgent addressing. They clearly love their children very much, just have been killed somehow somewhere.

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gentlemum · 12/01/2024 21:16

dasza79 · 12/01/2024 13:51

You're right, I'm not certain what gentle parenting means.
From conversations I had with them I know they've put a lot of thought behind the way they brought up their kids. Don't know what books they read that led to belief that to create a strong, independent and happy child one must always be at it's service and violence is a sign of strong character rather than a worrying personality trait that needs urgent addressing. They clearly love their children very much, just have been killed somehow somewhere.

Sounds like they are following a 'permissive parenting' approach. In other words just letting their child do anything and take the lead rather than enforcing any boundaries. Definitely not helping their child in the long term.

pjani · 12/01/2024 21:22

Unless culturally it’s ok to give advice, I’d leave it. Be friends with your friend, don’t feel guilty for not babysitting, and try and keep your distance from the child.

dasza79 · 13/01/2024 13:48

@gentlemum I have never heard of "permissive parenting" before you mentioned it. Spend way too much time last night reading up on it and getting frustrated... My friend never used that term but all the conversations I had with them about parenting are in-line with the principles of this "method". The dad and I had a mini argument once, over his determination that children and parents should be like friends without the authoritative figure (I don't think I'd call a person who treats me like a servant a "friend"). Now it all makes sense - kids have no boundaries at home as far as I can tell, no bedtimes, screen limits, no punishment and a lot of bribery, "I want" is met with immediate positive response, mum is extremely responsive to the kids (mostly girl's at this point) needs. And it explains why they don't cope so well outside of their family setting - both boy and girl have aggressive behaviors, they both refuse to be anywhere without the mum. It also makes sense that this type of parenting is mostly popular in affluent families. I cannot imagine how anyone ever thought this is a good idea...
On a side note - last night I realized that in her own way my mum was a permissive parent (minus the materialistic side - we couldn't afford that) - as a kid I had all the freedom one could imagine. One of the results was a deeply rooted sense of insecurity. And possibly substance abuse issues in young adulthood plus general lack of self control.
Thank you for introducing me to this concept.

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