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Disagree with my husband about baby sleep

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MarieF321 · 27/12/2023 19:03

I’m trying to work out if I’m being u reasonable, and whether my baby’s sleep is normal, or not, as my husband and I aren’t seeing eye to eye and it’s causing a lot of tension in our already strained relationship.

my baby is nearly 8 months old. She’s never slept brilliantly, but at 3 months would go down in her cot at 19:00, maybe stir once, then wake at 01:30, 03:30, 04:30 (when we started cosleeping), 05:30: 06:30. So not great, but we had our evenings and she was still tiny.

then the 4 month sleep regression hit and she was waking so often (every 30-60 mins) I went to full co sleeping. My husband moved into another room for the odd night initially and now we’re always ins separate rooms. She currently goes down in her cot at 18:30/19:00, and wakes 2-4 times before I go to bed at 22:30, when we co sleep. She feeds every 1-2 hours overnight.

She has always nursed to sleep, wants nursing when she wakes (she settles again quickly, but screams louder if someone else tries to settle her), and until recently only happening car/contact/sling, although now she settles in her pram too (although usually only 45 mins)

This is pretty exhausting - some nights are better than others - but in a way I’ve come to enjoy cosleeping, and her pram naps have helped me get a few things done around the house. However, at times I do feel overwhelmed by the to do list and having no free time, and that I’m failing due to not sleeping well for months. However, I try to reassure myself this is just a phase, babies have disturbed sleep, they’re all different, and it will keep changing.

However, my husband think that our child is abnormal, that she should sleep through the night, in her own room, and settle herself when placed in her cot. He tells everyone that she ‘hates sleep’ and I feel infers some blame on me - and her. He wants to ‘sleep train’ but is not specific about how. I think it involves some CC but I refuse to do that, and he also hates to hear her cry. At this age, and for a while longer, I believe babies can’t self regulate and so the parents do it for them. It doesn’t help that our evenings are now disturbed, although I do all the work. He also says she’s ’obsessed with breastfeeding’ but aren’t all BF babies? She doesn’t eat many solids, although I’m doing a combination of baby led and purées, and can’t force feed her. She’s never taken a bottle but I’ve tried repeatedly, which my husband has tried a few times with minimal success, so given up.

Every time she cried now he huffs, and I feel like I’m failing because she’s waking, and doing something wrong because I’m going to get, and doubly wrong because I’m feeding her to sleep. But am I? Is our situation so abnormal? I’m exhausted but can keep this up for her, but not with the added pressure and judgement from my husband. Is he right, am I doing it all wrong?

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MarieF321 · 27/12/2023 20:06

Thank you to everyone who’s replied, and for sharing your stories and advice. It’s reassuring just to know there’s a spectrum out there, and that other people have had similar experiences. I know there are many different types of sleep training, so I’ll keep searching for ones that don’t involve crying; whilst I have a bedtime routine, I’m otherwise not that structured, so maybe that’d help. And no judgement of other parenting, I know people use some crying techniques it’s just not something that’s right for me just now, and I’m also not sure it’d work - I’ve tried sending my husband or family members in, and it sometimes works, but takes a while and is stressful for all! Also, she was unwell recently and couldn’t breastfeed, so couldn’t feed to settle, and she definitely stuck it out! There was so much crying, and he will didn’t bend! It was awful, and I don’t want any of us to go through that again!

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LangMayYerLumReek2024 · 27/12/2023 20:06

Some kids are great sleepers and some are bloody awful. I've had one of each.

Superscientist · 27/12/2023 20:14

My daughter has been slow to develop good sleep patterns but she has been impacted by reflux.

At 8 months we were cosleeping and she fed 5+ times a night. She didn't eat food and didn't actually engage with weaning until 13 months. Her reflux meant for along time she barely breastfeed during the day as it caused her more discomfort. She had periods where she fed for a total of 2 minutes during the day and 30-60 minutes during the night. It was a hard habit to reverse. She only slept during day on me or a long 2-3h walking nap every lunchtime. Our evening routine was for me to get her to sleep in our bed and then my partner came in the laptop so we could have the evening TV together. On good days we got her off my knee and sat next to the bed to have a little distance even if it was only 50cm!

At 10 months we had to switch to formula and we were in hospital. She fed twice a night and still woke repeatedly. We couldn't cosleep on the ward as they weren't equipped to cosleeping but they were supportive of cosleeping and it was only because on the plastic bedding and the single beds that we couldn't cosleep on the ward.

At 1 we were able to get her to start her overnight sleep in the cot and some nights I could calm her in the bed and put her back in the cot at 3am. She only had formula once a night except when her reflux was out of control.

At 2 we moved her to a bed and found it easier to get her to sleep in the bed. She started sleeping through the night occasionally. Progress has been ruined by return of the pesky reflux!

We have had slow steady improvements and it can be frustrating and exhausting. It especially hard when her poor sleep is due to her pain. For me I have a few things I need to reset after a day and if I go too many day without I get a bit fried. I need at least 30 minutes in the evening for my brain to stop and I need an hour in bed without being touched. Then if I can get to 3 o clock with of it being woken I can feel well rested if I get to 5 am I feel like superwoman! 2 wake ups in a night repeatedly are hard now. My partner gives me a lie in at the weekend and that is magic!

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UnbeatenMum · 27/12/2023 20:15

I've always offered milk at night to my babies (under about 15 months IIRC) because I thought they might be waking through hunger. She might sleep better if you put her back in her cot but it might mean a worse night for you. I don't think night weaning is recommended under 12 months though so if I were you I would carry on for at least another 4 months.

dummytaker · 27/12/2023 20:29

My DD didn't sleep through until 13 months, but she also didn't wake this often (of course we had our share of difficult nights, but it was 't the norm, usually she'd wake up 2-3 times). We also shared the load with my partner and didn't BF (not by choice).

Your baby is not abnormal, but I don't think that's what matters here. What matters here is how everyone in this family feels. Your husband doesn't get to spend time with his wife, which sucks. Your baby doesn't get to sleep well, which also sucks. And you... well, you don't get to be with your husband nor sleep well, which double sucks.

I was also a desperate mother looking for solutions everywhere. Here's what I found: there is not set miracle solution, but there are changes you can make to improve the current situation. It might involve some crying, it doesn't mean the baby has to cry by themselves. You can have dad be with baby and get them to learn to be looked after by others. You can wean baby off the breast. You can teach baby to sleep in their cot. Really, none of this is impossible, and all of these changes can be made in a respectful way. A baby crying is just expressing upset over something they don't like - in my view, it is part of parenting to deny your child of things that they want but can't have, for whatever reason. As long as you stay connected to them the whole way and don't leave them crying alone, I believe that's ok.

marchair · 27/12/2023 20:32

Listen to your instincts! Your husband is wrong! My baby is almost 10 months old, I cosleep with him and he wakes up 3-7 times in the night. Babies need comfort, please don't sleep train unless you are really really desperate. Your baby needs you and in time she will sleep better. Listen to your gut feelings. And not random advice on the internet about sleep training and what is normal / not normal. As others have said on this thread - every baby is different. Don't compare.

Teats4twins · 27/12/2023 20:53

I have twin girls who were exactly the same. My husband moved into the spare room around 6 months I think. I started co sleeping so that I could actually get some sleep. Took some practice but we got there mostly. I think it's totally normal and expected for breast fed babies and actually the most natural thing in the world. My girls are 13 months old now they have their own cots in their own bedroom and wake maybe 1/2 times a night but quickly go back to sleep with a quick shh from me or husband. And I find myself laying here missing sleeping with them!!! It changes quickly. Hope you start getting some rest soon though.

goldenstar9 · 27/12/2023 20:55

The only thing that worked for us was proactively weaning her off the night feeds. So every night we would give her less and less milk, until she didn't need any anymore because she was eating enough in the day. We also gradually eased her into falling asleep without being held by us, i.e. coming in every few minutes, when crying, for a cuddle, then gradually reducing that to pats and singing, then just pats, then nothing.
So yes, sleep training and controlled crying, but it didn't feel cruel at all, because it was very gradual.
She went from waking every 2 hours to sleeping through the night in her own bed from 7pm to 7am. This was at 5 months. Now she's 18 months and hasn't had any major problem with sleep since.

It was the best thing we did - the whole family, especially myself and also the baby, was happier for it. I relish having more energy during the day, unbroken, deep sleep at night, and time and space to myself in the evenings. She's much more settled and thrives on the routine.

HMW1906 · 27/12/2023 20:59

It does sound like a lot of wake ups for a 8 month old even breast fed and it must be exhausting for you both.

Looking at it from your husbands pov maybe he’s struggling as he is unable to settle baby and he wants to be able to, maybe he feels like he’s not needed, maybe that’s why he getting huffy.

I personally would consider some gentle sleep training. Have a look on instagram for ‘Calm and Bright Sleep Support’, they’re a team of paediatric nurses, midwives and health visitors. My friend used them and said they were amazing.

XlemonX · 27/12/2023 20:59

I couldnt do it if I was you. My daughter was terrible at sleeping. She was born so alert with eye wide open. I rarely saw her sleepy and if she was she would fight it. I think it was time when she was past 6 months to think about sleep training. Me and Husband missed the alone time and I did my research and sleep trained her at 7 months. We did control crying but she learnt within 1-2 days. Moving her to her own room and doing the CC was the best decision ever. I am a much better mother when I am well rested and me and hubby have a good healthy relationship

lochmaree · 27/12/2023 21:03

My eldest was like that, we coslept from when he was very tiny and still do now (at nearly 4) but he can sleep on his own too. his sleep improved a lot at age 12-14mo, then steadily improved until he mostly slept through by age 2. My youngest sleeps better generally, but we've done the same anyway as cosleeping works for us and i like it. I sleep separately to my DH but we dont mind. we do miss sleeping together but ultimately we both want what makes both of our lives easier and our kids to have the closeness they require.

Second a pp recommendation for Nurture Neuroscience on Instagram. Also Lindsey Hookway and if you want to cut down bf or nightwean then Emma Pickett.

crumblingschools · 27/12/2023 21:06

DS was breastfed but didn’t need to feed throughout the night at 8 months. So not all breast fed babies wake up multiple times in the night

UnravellingTheWorld · 28/12/2023 08:07

Yes it's normal baby behaviour, but no I wouldn't and didn't endure it. After night weaning, mine went from 12+ wakeups a night to sleeping through (at 8 months old) over about a week.

Solid sleep is important for babies, and we were all doing a lot better for having a decent night's sleep.

Christmassss · 28/12/2023 08:21

Some parents are happy with a nearly one year old baby feeding every hour, others prefer to meet all their baby’s needs during the day/evening and for the baby to sleep all night.
There’s no right or wrong.

Kittylala · 28/12/2023 08:45

Nursing to sleep is exhausting - I regretted doing this with my first and felt I'd made a rod for my back. Yes snuggles are lovely but it has it's obvious drawbacks.

Cry to sleep method worked for us and was so worth it. I'll be doing it at 8mths for my heat one. It doesn't hurt them x

casualreader2022 · 28/12/2023 08:53

We coslept and bf through the night with my little one. Husband in the other room and I was a walking zombie for months. Now she's older (15 months) and still wakes 2-3 times a night and I'm still responsive. She's now in her own room and settles without boob to sleep and can be settled down for the night by husband. It was a process though. I think babies have different temperaments and my little one would not have coped with a cry it out and neither would I to be honest. Only you know your child innately and your own thoughts on parenting - whilst you could adjust your parenting for your husband's perception (I do wonder how many modern articles of parenting and nurturing he's read...I imagine you've probably done more reading on that topic than him, or are following your natural instincts), that might build resentment in you. I think an honest conversation with him on how he can help support you. Him getting involved in night settling and habit stacking (Lindsey insta - another recommendation!) which will enable you to have longer periods of sleep and different tools to help settle baby which they're on board with.

Personally, I found as my little one got older, it just clicked moreso and she has a better range of understanding so she picks up routine and certain words etc which helps.

As hard as it is, especially as more parents are talking about sleeping through, you're doing super.

(Equally, if it's that you want to stop as it's becoming unreasonable or too much, that's okay too.)

Nannyfannybanny · 28/12/2023 09:05

My last 3, were breast fed. I assume the ones who are co,-sleeping with multiple night feeds aren't working. Maternity leave used to be a lot different,it was just 6 weeks after birth. I saved enough money I could have 3 months off. Last time wasn't expecting to have to do this but ended up with house repossession,no choice. I wouldn't have co-slept anyway, I am a very light and extremely restless sleeper. My youngest son, I bf for 15 months,it was the only way to get him to sleep (I expressed and froze milk for when I was at work) days then ex H nights.I had been back at work a year. I was so tired, I was hallucinating. He is 40 now,none of the health visitors etc ever suggested to me, I could just change to formula. There wasn't pumps either then,you had to sit and express by hand.

avocadotofu · 28/12/2023 09:13

That sounds like pretty typical sleep for little ones. I was so exhausted when DS was that age. We started to co-sleep around that age with DH in the bed and it helped a lot. We read a lot about safe co-sleeping first. There are some good accounts on Instagram about what's developmentally normal in terms of sleep. Maybe showing that to your husband would help? Society in general seems to have some pretty weird views of infant sleep which makes things harder.

birdglasspen2 · 23/06/2024 07:11

I’ve bf three babies and I wouldn’t say they were obsessed. But I had them in a routine so probably at 8 months they fed at 7am, 2pm and bedtime (I might be missing one feed can’t quite remember 8months). Fed before a bath so not using nursing to get to sleep.
they had the same nap times each day as well and bedtime.

Yes they would wake through night but when it really affected my sleep then I would stop and they very quickly stopped waking.

you could work on helping your baby into a routine which would improve their sleep, and yours!
babies don’t know when to go to sleep and when to eat, if they did they wouldn’t get overtired, etc. so surely it’s our job to help teach them.

I can imagine why your husband is frustrated breast fed babies don’t need fed every 1/2 hour or nursed to sleep.

Makingchocolatecake · 16/08/2024 21:03

I never bf at night so don't know but sounds like other babies I've heard about. Try a spoon with milk?

AegonT · 16/08/2024 21:31

I don't think either of you are wrong. There is nothing wrong with your way and if it works and you and the baby are getting enough sleep it can be left as is. However there is also nothing wrong with sleep training and there are a variety of ways to do it. What is wrong is him saying what's currently happening is not right but not coming up with the ideas to fix it. Your are currently putting in all the effort and it sounds like you aren't getting much thanks.

Learningdaybyday · 12/10/2024 15:36

OP wondering if you have an update on what you decided to do and how does your daughter settle and sleep now?

Asking as DS is nearly 3 months and there are some similar situations, mainly the bf to sleep and won't take a bottle.

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