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Child arrangements over Xmas with Ex Husband

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Happygal88 · 23/12/2023 05:39

So I just want to see what other people's opinions are on this. Apologies for how long this will be, haha!

My ex-husband and father to 2 of my children has been asking since September what the plans are for Xmas this year (last year he should have had them xmas eve into xmas day but chose not to and took them xmas day into boxing day then dropped them home). For context, our relationship is very changeable. I try and stay amicable. However, this can be hard due to his nature, sarcastic remarks, or just being plain rude to me, depending on his mood and then how I react (its not always easy to remain nonchalant/unbothered by him). Everytime he mentioned it I'd say the same "it's your turn to have them on Xmas eve into Xmas morning and then I'll have them for Xmas Dinner" we would then arrange different days etc throughout the holidays as previous years. So this went on right up until about 3/4 weeks ago when he asked me again, and I said the same thing and his reply was "no, I've booked to take them away from 23rd to the 29th of Dec" he plans to take them somewhere that's an 8hour round trip. I proceeded to ask him why he has bothered asking me the plans if this is the case. I asked him about when i'm supposed to see the kids over xmas, and he suggested driving them down on xmas day and then back up. When I told him I thought that was ridiculous, he asked me if i was happy not to see them on xmas Day ... at that point, i told him i wasn't happy and that if I had done that to him, he would be kicking up hell. To suggest i dont want to see my children on xmas day is beyound a joke. I personally think that it is ridiculous to suggest a 10yr od and 7yr old would want to do that/or be happy to do that on xmas day.

AIBU to think what he has done is just an absolute d*ck move here. Would you expect your kids to do an 8-hour round trip on xmas Day or think that's fair?

I have spoken to a few friends and family about this, and each person has said similar things about how they wouldn't allow this to happen and definitely would not be happy. I also felt the reason he continued to ask is because he wants me to tell him "no" so he can tell my children that he has all these wonderful things planned and I've stopped them doing this (wouldn't be the first time he has said things like that to them). Any advice or feedback would be very helpful.

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Happygal88 · 23/12/2023 08:45

I'm definitely going to get something more formal in place going forward. I do believe he fully expected me to say no.

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RandomMess · 23/12/2023 08:45

I think you've done the best thing under the circumstances.

Yes fixed contact arrangements sound like they are needed.

I hope the DC have a good time, I think they may well struggle at some point being away so long of this time of year. When are you doing your "Xmas Day" with them?

RandomMess · 23/12/2023 08:50

Will be interesting to see if it actually has been booked/really is miles away/is cancelled as he is too ill to take them or similar. Such a dick.

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Dinkydoo17 · 23/12/2023 08:53

He sounds charming. As hard as it is, let it go. No one wants their children in an 8 hour car journey on Christmas Day. I would suggest you go to specialist mediation in the new year to formalise contact arrangements and holidays so you don't have this arsehole behaviour moving forward. Hugs for Christmas Day OP x

Dinkydoo17 · 23/12/2023 08:55

Happygal88 · 23/12/2023 08:45

I'm definitely going to get something more formal in place going forward. I do believe he fully expected me to say no.

Rise above lovely. You have the moral upper hand. As hard as it is, try and remain calm. It has taken me three years to mostly be able to do this x

thedukeofbuckinghamshire · 23/12/2023 09:45

I am not sure he's booked anywhere at all!!

BrimfulOfMash · 23/12/2023 10:01

My response to his 23-29 plan would not have been to start arguing about ‘why bother to ask’ and ‘when am I supposed to see them’ etc. It doesn’t address your objectives, and feeds the passive aggressive sniping between you: him starting on ‘are you happy not to see them’ etc.

Go straight in with ‘that doesn’t work for me but if you would like to make variations to the pattern , you can take them on the morning of the 26th for an extended period. ‘

Next year get court ordered arrangements or at least an agreement in writing in September.

Happygal88 · 23/12/2023 10:11

Hindsight is a great thing brimfulofmash, I do wish I'd handled it differently.

I have plans to make Xmas day the day they come back. Gave them the option on a full on xmas dinner ... one has chosen tuna pasta and the other wants a domino's haha!

I'm not entirely convinced he has booked anything either and fully expect "they messed up our booking so staying at my mums" (he doesn't have a place at the moment 🙄 ) or they've had to go somewhere else hence why he won't show me the confirmation/booking reservation.

I have a 15 month old too with my current partner so will be kept busy on xmas day.

100% next year will look different and I will have something formal in place. Thank you for all your advice and support.

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