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Sandrine1982 · 06/11/2023 11:48

Hello.

I'm after some advice. Our DD (4 years old) is expressing interest in playing the piano. She is very musical so we've started looking into private piano lessons and buying a piano or a keyboard.

This is where it gets complicated. We have no idea where to start or what to buy. We don't really have the space for a full blown piano (yet) although we might get it later, so we're thinking about buying a keyboard. However of course we want to be as similar as possible to the piano in terms of quality, size of the keys etc.

Could anyone offer some advice on what we should buy for a 4-year old beginner?

Many thanks in advance.
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Comefromaway · 06/11/2023 11:54

Four is a bit too young really to start proper formal lessons. Usually most teachers recommend that a child be a bit older and able to read although there are some methods that help develop general musicality.

What you are probably thinking of is a digital piano (as opposed to a keyboard). Look for weighted, hammer action keys (rather than merely touch sensitive). Yamaha do a nice range of beginner digital pianos. The P145 is a really good one but there are some cheaper option as she is so young.

chloe1991thomas · 06/11/2023 12:03

I started playing piano at a similar age and still do now. Absolutely loved it.

We were lucky enough to have a piano at home however if I was looking for a space saving alternative I would look at something as similar to a real piano as possible.

So that includes:

  • full size keys (often keyboards don't have full sized keys. They're smaller and I think makes the transition to a piano more difficult)
  • weighted keys (keyboards can have really light leys. Piano keys are heavier)
  • 88 keys which is full size for a piano. Keyboards come in smaller sizes but for me this is confusing for kids when you then move to a full piano which has significantly more keys!

Look at digital pianos rather than keyboards if you want a good alternative to a piano.

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monpetitlapin · 06/11/2023 12:15

We used to own an acoustic upright but we moved back to the UK and couldn't justify shipping it so we sold it.

After obsessing over what to replace it with for several months, I bought the Thomann SP-120 from Thomann which is an electric piano (not a keyboard).

It's cheap, but produces a decent sound for a beginner and the keys are reasonable for a child as well. I mostly wanted it so DCs could explore music and buy something fancier as they progress. If you listen to the samples on the Thomann website (they have recordings of people playing most of their electric pianos) you can decide for yourself how much you can spend and what sort of sound you will get for that money.

Please please please don't get a keyboard, though, go for a proper electric piano, there's a massive difference between the two. I started piano lessons on a Yamaha Keyboard at age 6. Aside from the fact it only had 5 octaves, the sound was nothing like a piano, it did nothing with tonality, and the shape and size of the keys was wrong to develop proper reach with my fingers, so I ended up never making it to grade 2 as it was completely unsuitable to practise on. I practised 5 times a week and still my music teacher said I just wasn't progressing as I wasn't learning proper technique.

A pricier electric piano will also have weighted hammer-action keys which will more closely resemble an acoustic piano to help the child build up finger strength to learn to play better, but it's not as strictly necessary at the very beginning.

monpetitlapin · 06/11/2023 12:16

I should have said, DS is 4 and DD is 1 so they don't need anything fancy.

If you do have money and a bit more space, a Yamaha Clavinova is basically the best electric piano you can get for under £1000, but that's out of our budget/space for the time being!

StillWantingADog · 06/11/2023 12:20

While a keyboard is no match for a piano (which could be digital) with weighted keys I would not be investing a huge amount of money and space for a 4 year old who wanted to learn. I don’t necessarily think 4 is “too young” but certainly is very young. I don’t think children can make serious long term decisions at that age.

in the first instance I think a keyboard is fine. But two years down the line if and when she is progressing and wants to do exams etc then she will need either an acoustic upright or (good) electric piano. I studied up to grade 8 on ours.

Circumferences · 06/11/2023 12:24

We have a Yamaha keyboard in DS bedroom. It's piano sized for the keys iynwim.

We got it when DS was 5-6 for a Christmas gift, he's 8yo now and loves playing the keyboard, but his grandad (my dad) has a proper piano so that's how he got into it around your DD age.

Absolutely get a keyboard.
But be warned. If you get one with those Demos that play a naff tune on repeat, be prepared to listen to all of them over and over, and for your four year old to take no interest whatsoever in learning their D Major scale 😂.

That's how we started. But DS has never lost his love of playing his keyboard that's the main thing.

We started formal lessons when he was 6. I do think maybe 4 is a bit young for formal lessons.

Are you musical? Can you show her the basics?

Scirocco · 06/11/2023 13:00

I started piano lessons when I was 3 and still play now. My recommendations would be to make sure whatever you get is full size, with properly weighted keys. Personally, I loathe digital ones, but I know some people like them; maybe try several different pianos in a shop and see what suits best? If people play, a good quality piano can be an investment - I've currently got my gran's old piano in our spare room/playroom, which is now on its 4th generation of our family and was second hand when she bought it!

TizerorFizz · 06/11/2023 13:03

Surely a 4 year old doesn’t have fingers big enough for a full size keyboard? We were told to wait to 6. Recorder might be worth a try?

MabelQ · 06/11/2023 13:58

Veteran piano teacher here. You’re not unusual at all for starting your child at 4 years old! I’ve had many, many students around that age. Keep your expectations low and let the teacher teach… every tiny achievement gets celebrated at this stage and foundational work is being done even if it sounds like nothing changed from the previous week’s lesson.

As for what type of instrument to get… it’s up to you and your budget and space. For what it’s worth, however, the more “serious” the piano, the more “serious” the student and their entire family took things.

I had some who stuck with the little keyboard on a folding stand (without all the keys, but with all kinds of bells and whistles) and in my honest recollection not a single one of those went super far or even seemed to enjoy it all much.

Many went the “looks like a real piano but is digital” route, and I always felt that was the sweet spot. Older children could still play with earbuds or headphones or turn the volume down (please don’t let young ones do this; they need the feedback from those around them!) so if they REALLY got serious about it the family wasn’t being driven insane by constant practice. Younger children knew it was a real piano because it looked like one. And parents didn’t resent having the instrument in their space because frankly, they’re beautiful pieces of furniture and don’t look like an electronics store!

And then the majority just went with older pianos that were handed down or found on the side of the road or gifted for free or donated by a church. There is NOTHING wrong with those, but they do limit your ability to play or add stress if you’re in a multi-family structure! I’d also add that while a person your daughter’s age isn’t bothered by any “tinny” sound, please do prepare to invest in something newer in the future if she gets truly caught up and blossoms! Also, I’d suggest making sure whatever genuine piano you’d get doesn’t have chipped keys or dead keys; it’s very frustrating for small fingers.

I think my biggest concern is that somehow, those who said “we will start with a little half size keyboard and put it in their bedroom so if they don’t like it we haven’t wasted money” never seemed to fully support their child’s interest or be present when they practiced their little songs. (I’m not saying that would be you! It’s just a strange phenomenon I’ve observed over nearly 20 years.) Those who had a pretty piano in a central area seemed to take everything so much more seriously, and the smallest students seemed to be much more excited and comfortable coming up to a Real Piano - or something that looks like it’s real - and sitting on an Actual Piano Bench. The parents who expected their little ones to drag a dining room chair over or use a heavy chair nobody liked (that was inevitably the wrong height) just weren’t as helpful when it came to practice Ny, or bringing their child to lessons, or not canceling things. And little ones seemed to prefer a real bench/instrument over a shaky folding padded stool and a mildly tipsy little keyboard that always kept switching to the drumbeat setting.

I hope that helps, somehow. Again… do what you can afford! But do check out free pianos or digital pianos secondhand.

I’ve had incredibly talented absolute naturals who never went on to enjoy or stick with piano, because of lack of support from their families. I’ve had music students with learning challenges or who just weren’t naturals musically love every minute, play in all their spare time, and go on to literally attend college for music education… because of the incredible support and dedication from their parents.

SandyWaves · 06/11/2023 14:32

Please do not buy anything expensive from the offset.

We made a stupid mistake of spending a lot on a piano when our DC started piano lessons and a few weeks later, its gathered dust. Really annoyed with myself.

CattingAbout · 06/11/2023 14:37

I'd get in touch with some potential piano teachers and ask what they'd recommend you buy (and when).

UnravellingTheWorld · 06/11/2023 19:12

Electric pianos are better than keyboards. The way you strike the keys is different on a keyboard, and an electric piano is better on space (plus it doesn't need tuned)

Sandrine1982 · 06/11/2023 21:24

This is all amazingly helpful. Thank you all very very much.
Special thanks to @MabelQ for such a detailed response. Really appreciated !

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Sandrine1982 · 09/12/2023 15:16

PS: i hate the look and the sound of keyboards. We definitely want something that looks and sounds as the real thing. Space not a problem.

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Lizzieregina · 09/12/2023 15:22

Yes a digital piano is what you want. We bought a used one and it got great use! So I’d look around for a used one to start.

Our DD started group lessons at 3, but the teacher told us right away to find her private lessons. She was really good and played for years, but not currently (in her 20s now).

Onionsmadeofglass · 09/12/2023 15:33

Kawai and yamaha both make nice digital pianos. Kawai kdp and Yamaha Arius are good relatively affordable models for learners that look beautiful but don’t take up too much space.

filka · 09/12/2023 15:45

At that age I'd go for the real piano from eBay, because it's the real thing but not a huge investment, and a good quality piece of furniture.

If the playing/interest didn't work out you'd probably get your money back when selling, and if it did work out the piano is probably good for another 40 years.

MabelQ · 09/12/2023 16:09

Yes on both counts! Something like either one of those seems to strike the balance between price point/investment and still looking/sounding/feeling like something delightful!

Onionsmadeofglass · 09/12/2023 17:23

filka · 09/12/2023 15:45

At that age I'd go for the real piano from eBay, because it's the real thing but not a huge investment, and a good quality piece of furniture.

If the playing/interest didn't work out you'd probably get your money back when selling, and if it did work out the piano is probably good for another 40 years.

This sounds like a good idea until you look up how much it costs to hire piano movers and how much regular tuning costs. You can get accoustic pianos very cheaply, sometimes free, but the reason is that moving them and tuning them is expensive.
If you don’t expect to move from your house and can get someone with some knowledge of pianos’ opinion on the state of a cheap second hand piano before you but it, then this might be a great option for you. If you live in an apartment or move around every few years and don’t know how to tell if a piano is on good condition musically, then a digital might be easier.
If you could find a piano dealer they will probably have loads of second hand accoustics in stock and could tell you how much moving it will cost (they might even deliver) and explain likely tuning costs etc.

Onionsmadeofglass · 09/12/2023 17:26

I own a digital piano because I wanted a piano (had years of lesson as a kid) but was at a stage in my life where I was moving frequently and moving a cheap or free piano a couple of times is more expensive than buying a reasonable digital piano. Digital pianos don’t often have the same depth of sound a real one does, but an out-of-tune accoustic also sounds horrible so digital was the best option for me at the time.

Comefromaway · 09/12/2023 18:24

No to the Donner. They are not a good brand.

Octavia64 · 09/12/2023 18:29

You can hire pianos.

When my two started at age 4 we rented one from the local piano shop.

It was really worth doing because as they played we got a sense of what they needed. We were then able to buy a piano more suitable for them.