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5 years of in-law relationship breakdown

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Mummobile · 14/08/2023 21:21

I’m trying to summarise how things have unfolded with my in laws over the last 5 years. I’ve shared a couple of small incidences in this group this year, which was pretty awful 😞. I’m trying to pull it all together to make sense of everything - both mentally and to help grow in the right direction. I can’t write it all down, but I’ve written enough for an idea of the how and why.. In doing so, I’m wondering if anything I’ve written is clear that I am in the wrong or being an Ae? Have I over-reacted to their behaviour? I’ve known them 13 years… it’s only in the last 5 that everything has changed. I once considered them like parents, which is why the wounds have cut deep 😞 … I feel both obligated under the title of “family” and on behalf of my children having grandparents to continue with being exposed…

It all stems from being continuously hurt. It started when I was pregnant in 2018/2019. Over a weekend visit, FIL, called me "fatty" instead of using my name a few times. During the same visit, he made a comment that they saw me as an incubator for their grandchild. It was humiliating and dehumanized. MIL did not voice against anything that was said that weekend. I was in tears when they left and upset for a very long time…a stream of further interactions and lack of relationship over years has built in a fear of further disrespect, - which sums up the last 5 years.

After DD arrived in March 2019, I attempted to set aside the hurtful incidents that happened that weekend. However, there was a significant shift in the family dynamics, and unfortunately, things spiralled into division. There was lots of nitty gritty things that didn’t cause any major problems individually, it was the accumulation, the bad energy they had towards me and being dropped from having any kind of relationship (that was good). One of the first nitty gritty issues that arose was when DD was a couple of days old and we asked everyone to not kiss a newborn, a request that was not respected. But there was generally small issues of either Inappropriation, bad energy or gestures at almost every visit.

Another major change was communication. Prior to DD birth, I used to have, not just regular communication, but good open communication with MIL, but once DD arrived, the dynamics shifted dramatically. I filled new shoes as a mother and I also felt "dropped," almost as though I was in the way. Anyone could read the room and spot the bad energy, it was also the obvious halting of communication, or care of a relationship…, I felt as though they had no likeness for. I felt as though the relationship we had before was not genuine, that I had done my job as the “incubator” and I was being treated like one.

During that year, we extended an invitation to share DD first Christmas together. We made the best of it as a family, but there were some deeply hurtful parts. While we were in the kitchen, organizing food, I caught FIL flipping me off, that left me feeling shocked and upset. I didn’t say anything at the time, i wished i had - I just wanted to focus on our (then) baby. As the days (and that year) went by, there was a clear and growing sense that they harboured negative feelings towards me. It was stressful, hosting with tensions and actions of people who had no respect for me. That Christmas became the worst I had ever experienced, and the cumulative effect of these incidents began to take a toll on my mental health.

In the months that followed, we had several strange interactions with FIL. There was a peculiar phone call in the middle of the night on the day of DD christening - , and a late-night message from him to hubby at a later date, which came across as aggressive and confrontational. MIL called hubby the following day and said nothing about it, it was weird, like they were trying to cover up my FIL blip. Communication had broken down. It was a stressful situation for everyone involved.

Despite all of this, we made efforts to visit them in their town a couple of times during that first year after DD birth. However, during these visits, FIL continued to display gestures and behaviors that conveyed his dislike, which only further exacerbating the strained relationship. I can recall a negative gesture and feeling like it was a nuisance that I had to find a bench to breastfeed DD, as well as when it was time to leave, he was showing gestures of annoyance and it was like walking on egg shells around him. That feeling hasn’t gone, it’s still like this.

I am trying to highlight incidents, that is more of an accumulation of how things have gone down hill, over a long period that has worn out the trust and the relationship. It’s the visits where tensions are clear and the feeling of being unwelcome. These first few highlights are how the tensions escalated to begin with, that further deepened the divide.

Respect, communication and expectations were completely out of sink. As I was “dropped” with communication efforts, I felt as though I was also being painted as a problem - which went in hand with the bad energy and being dropped. Unfortunately, the visits and time spent with them grew to be incredibly (understandably) uncomfortable.

During the Covid pandemic (April 2020 onwards), contact was mostly virtual. However, after becoming a mother, the frequency of interactions with MIL decreased until there was no relationship left by the time DD turned 12-18 months. There was also a significantly long period when PHONE conversations were solely on hubby and the kids, completely disregarding my existence. I also remember a 2 year period where I received impersonal birthday cards, which also felt like a deliberate attempt to hurt me.

I had almost no direct communication’s from MIL during my pregnancy with my DS - we were basically strangers by this point, with only one or two awkward phone calls when I was very close to giving birth - but the topic only revolved around details of when their grandchild was going to be born. Throughout this entire time, I have been made to feel like nothing more than an incubator, with my worth reduced solely to birth grandchildren. Anything else related to this has been made me feel as though they want me gone.

There were other highlights that I remember - circulating back to communication and when I was pregnant with DS - we were in a minor car collision, and there was another incident that I required medical attention and was very close to hospitalization, all while carrying DS. Yet, neither of Hubbys parents checked in or showed any concern, other than wanting to know when the birth date was when I was around 37 weeks - It was clear as day, that they only valued me for my use - the birth of their grandchild.

By 2021, it felt like years had passed where nothing was good… and I paid for it - with my mental health reaching a breaking point. I started having panic attacks, that was only triggered by indirect or direct contact from MIL… Hubby ring tone was a trigger for example, fearing it was them. I cannot write in words how this has all effected me, because anything said would be an understatement. Grief is the only word that accurately describes the profound sense of loss and emotional pain I have experienced. The shattered expectations of familial support or being treated as a member of a family, have taken a toll on me emotionally and mentally. To this day, I maintain a distance emotionally to protect myself mentally. The way I have been treated and how it effected me, means that I can’t go back out of fear of being placed back in that vulnerable, dehumanising position again.

Presently, we follow hubbys lead when it comes to visits or communication… because he is the only one with a relationship, and the point of contact where communications happen.

There is nothing more that I can say, other than everything has been deeply hurtful and mentally damaging. We are understandably not close, and that’s ok because it’s meant I’ve been able to heal and my children have the healthy family dynamic that they deserve - and that is where the priority is. The negative impact of this situation is now minimal because of it. They deserve a healthy family dynamic, they deserve grandparents that respect their parents. I will always prioritise this over what we lived through before.

I know with how poor and distant the relationship is with other family members on my husband side that a smear campaign has probably done the rounds too…. In all of this, I’ve no idea what I’ve done wrong, and my only action has been to keep my distance and that has been for self preservaTion… After 5 years, I recently stopped sending pictures of the kids to them… it’s been 6 months… and no one has reached out to me to ask how they are. Contact is strictly with my husband, once a week for about 20 min.

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RandomMess · 14/08/2023 21:39

That's very sad for you, DH and the DC.

Why are you posting, what support do you need ?

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Mummobile · 14/08/2023 21:54

It is incredibly sad.

I feel guilty because I had a huge extended (happy) family growing up and my children’s experience is only half of this. They still see and speak to them on calls with my husband. But they never visit, and my husband arranges visits to see them 1-2 times a year (for a day).

I feel embittered, because I feel like I’ve been treated poorly for not meeting my in laws expectations of how they wanted things to be. I questioned my worth for a long time, and I’m embittered that I felt that way and it’s directed towards them.

There is still so much damage there and I don’t think a relation recovery is possible. Every so often, I try, but I can’t forget 😔 and my FIL is pretty obvious of his stance towards me. My MIL does it a lot more covertly (ignoring me). I’m struggling with the fact that I’m assuming that I am being painted as a villain. I basically care too much about people who seriously don’t like me.

And in the middle of this all, is my children… a marriage that was almost at the brink of breaking because of this.

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Cloudsandrainnotsunandsand · 14/08/2023 21:56

They are twats.. Your dc are best away from them surely?

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cheeseandketchupsandwich · 14/08/2023 22:23

Similar situation. I had panic attacks and lots of counselling.

It wasn't until my counsellor said to me 'you can't change their behaviour' that something clicked and I realised I wasn't the problem.

So then I backed right off. No guilt because I'd already tried to hard and so often. I left DH to it.

They don't have a relationship now and this is DH's choice. He's seen what they were really like.

And it's their loss.

Yes my children have lost out on grandparents. But I'd rather they didn't have those grandparents than run the risk of allowing those grandparents to treat my DC the same way they have treated DH and I.

It's a shame. But this isn't on you. They need to meet you halfway.

Mummobile · 14/08/2023 22:25

I’ve never created any barriers for their contact to both my DC. Up until February, I shared pictures on a monthly basis with them. They never once commented or messaged to ask after them. When I stopped sending the pictures, no one chased for updates either. I think it was more of a case of them feeling superior to me, and having any contact with me, to contact the children was an inferior move for them - being dehumanised has been a trend and this is just my thoughts on the picture updates.

I’ve always told my husband that I'm not going to cause barriers with his relationship with them. He isn’t great at talking to them anyway… and he rarely sees them. I think it would have been different if they’d have lived nearby and not an hour away.

The only barrier that I’ve put up is that I am not left alone with them - I simply don’t feel safe at all. They interact well with my children on the phone…. But I wouldn’t put it past them to be manipulative, and I’d be concerned and have no trust if they were ever to spend any extensive time alone with them.

Everyone has distanced themselves from us on that side of the family and I’m certain it’s because a narrative has been played out against me ( pretty obvious from how they are ). One day, my children will get exposed to this… and one day get looped in to this toxic dynamic. It’s sort of the elephant in the room when in-person visit actually happen. They will pick up on it one day…

Should I be concerned for my children in the future? They are 4 and 2 at the moment. What age do they start understanding? My 4 year old is quite switched on, so not sure how to even have a conversation or if any or his should ever be shared with the children at all.

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Mummobile · 14/08/2023 22:56

cheeseandketchupsandwich · 14/08/2023 22:23

Similar situation. I had panic attacks and lots of counselling.

It wasn't until my counsellor said to me 'you can't change their behaviour' that something clicked and I realised I wasn't the problem.

So then I backed right off. No guilt because I'd already tried to hard and so often. I left DH to it.

They don't have a relationship now and this is DH's choice. He's seen what they were really like.

And it's their loss.

Yes my children have lost out on grandparents. But I'd rather they didn't have those grandparents than run the risk of allowing those grandparents to treat my DC the same way they have treated DH and I.

It's a shame. But this isn't on you. They need to meet you halfway.

So sorry this happened to you too! I can relate to how bad it must have been for you to have developed panic attacks and needed counselling to recover from this.

The way you have moved on from it as a family is what we need go do 😢. I can imagine it was quite a journey for your husband too.

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cheeseandketchupsandwich · 15/08/2023 02:40

It's been very traumatic for my husband. The only way he's been able to make sense of it all is by going for counselling himself.

If you don't feel safe being alone with them, pls don't leave your kids alone with them.

You and your husband need to make sure you're on the same side. Talk to him.

As for explaining to your children, do it in a way they will understand. When my DS was younger and he asked why we didn't see them, we explained it's because his grandparents haven't been very nice so we're not friends with them right now, or something along those lines. But we've never hidden it from him. Kids know more than you think.

It's tough. But if you can truly, hand on heart, say you're done everything you possibly could and they still aren't giving you the relationship you want, then it's time to step right back and let them come to you. If they don't, at least you know you did all you could.

GreekGod · 15/08/2023 04:42

Why are you so bothered about having a relationship with them when they have treated you so badly and clearly this has affected your mental well being ? It seems you have a Disney ideal family in your head but this isn’t the reality. It seems that these people don’t like you and they don’t respect you. Make friends - have them to be your chosen family.

Mummobile · 15/08/2023 07:11

I feel as though I’ve done all I can - which has been to not respond to when they are awful, continued to share picture updates (I stopped recently), I respond to any phone call and text message. I’ve been kind most of the time, and at worse cordial or distant.

My husband called them a few years ago and asked them why they were being this way, he told them I felt as though I was being treated differently and no longer family… they brushed over it all…. They even called me up the next day, knowing I was on my own and my husband was working … where my MIL tried to gaslight me and I heard my husband in the background grumbling about me.

It went no where. Luckily my husband was working at home that day and while they were “talking at me”, and I messaged him to come downstairs. As soon as they heard my husband in the background, they turned the tone down to appear less bad.

They go the extra mile to be extra kind to my husband, as they do to other family members. So in many ways they are not specifically toxic to him as an individual… it really is directed to me, and me alone. As you can imagine, conversations have been difficult in the path, because he sees that his parents are ok with HIM. If not a little weird… for example, my MIL kissed him on the lips good bye, which she has never done before… whilst looking at me, as a show after we said that didn’t want anyone kissing my DD when she was a newborn. Everything has been very converted and manipulative.

I am bothered , because I had several years of a GOOD relationship before this. I never once detected any manipulation or bad energy…. I went to spa’s with my MIL, we had family weekends away for celebrations, we visited them often and they us. There was respect, trust, value and communications there. Something about me, when I became a mother, changed their tune towards me.

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ChubbyMorticia · 15/08/2023 07:27

I think it’s pretty clear what happened, actually.

You had a good relationship with them when you weren’t telling them no. When you weren’t in the way of what they wanted.

They viewed you as having their gc vs you having your children. Their expectations weren’t met, you didn’t allow them to do as they pleased, you told them no. To them, it was a betrayal, because they never considered you as an individual, but rather a means to get what they wanted. It’s a power struggle in their eyes, and anything less than getting what they want is unacceptable, and all your fault.

You can’t change them. It’s not about you in particular, it would be anyone your husband married who didn’t comply and submit to them.

SunRainStorm · 15/08/2023 07:35

They're horrible people who have treated you horribly.

You don't owe them another minute of your time and you are well within your rights to keep your children away from toxic people.

SunRainStorm · 15/08/2023 07:35

ChubbyMorticia · 15/08/2023 07:27

I think it’s pretty clear what happened, actually.

You had a good relationship with them when you weren’t telling them no. When you weren’t in the way of what they wanted.

They viewed you as having their gc vs you having your children. Their expectations weren’t met, you didn’t allow them to do as they pleased, you told them no. To them, it was a betrayal, because they never considered you as an individual, but rather a means to get what they wanted. It’s a power struggle in their eyes, and anything less than getting what they want is unacceptable, and all your fault.

You can’t change them. It’s not about you in particular, it would be anyone your husband married who didn’t comply and submit to them.

Exactly this.

Fraaahnces · 15/08/2023 07:44

Ffs stand up for yourself woman… Don’t let them back in your home - ever. If DH is the one who communicates with them all the time, WTF is he saying about you? Why would you allow your kids to be around creepy, passive-aggressive fuckers? If you’re not there to pick on, who will they choose next? They clearly like a victim. I bet they start playing one kid off against the other as they get older. These people are awful. Don’t engage unless provoked, then go in guns blazing because DH certainly isn’t doing this for you.

MintJulia · 15/08/2023 08:20

Cloudsandrainnotsunandsand · 14/08/2023 21:56

They are twats.. Your dc are best away from them surely?

This.

They don't like you. You don't like them. Stop contact.

The change could be that you are now mother to your dh's children. You are the centre of the family. Your MIL's 'time' has passed and she is jealous of your position. It sounds like old fashioned pecking-order resentment to me.

Your dh can take the children to see them if he really wants but you don't need to have any more contact, and will make you feel more comfortable. You won't have to put up with their rudeness.

Just get on with your life without them. No-one NEEDS in-laws.

AnnaMagnani · 15/08/2023 08:26

Should I be concerned for my children in the future? They are 4 and 2 at the moment. What age do they start understanding? My 4 year old is quite switched on, so not sure how to even have a conversation or if any or his should ever be shared with the children at all

Children don't miss what they have never known. Growing up we had a great relationship with my mum's parents and a not so great one with my dad's.

It just seemed perfectly natural that we'd spend more time with one set than the other. By the time I was a teenager I could see that my paternal grandmother was a PITA and my parents shared some of the stuff that put them off visiting.

Mummobile · 15/08/2023 11:06

DH doesn’t communicate all the time with them. It’s one phone call a week.

Over the last few months, they have generally not been toxic on the phone. They have even said hello, or asked after me. My mil also sends normal messages on a group chat with my DH and me on. It’s this sense of “normal” that is throwing me off…. I’m not sure I can get over how I’ve been treated, or the effect it has had on me.

Seeing them in person, is also completely different, especially the last time we saw them - my husbands sibling and grandparents were there too (who have been totally normally with me, but a little weird as it’s clear MIL & FIL have said some words about me to everyone)…. So I’m person it is awkward, uncomfortable- and very off. I’m not sure if they are trying to be better… I have always responded in kind to any communication, but there is too much fear there to try more than what it is…

…. and they’ve taken no accountability or have any understanding of how they have hurt me.

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Mummobile · 15/08/2023 11:08

AnnaMagnani · 15/08/2023 08:26

Should I be concerned for my children in the future? They are 4 and 2 at the moment. What age do they start understanding? My 4 year old is quite switched on, so not sure how to even have a conversation or if any or his should ever be shared with the children at all

Children don't miss what they have never known. Growing up we had a great relationship with my mum's parents and a not so great one with my dad's.

It just seemed perfectly natural that we'd spend more time with one set than the other. By the time I was a teenager I could see that my paternal grandmother was a PITA and my parents shared some of the stuff that put them off visiting.

Thank you for sharing ❤️‍🩹 I think this is the kind of setup we are in at the moment. There is still contact, but visits are few - I’m sure my children will understand why, and will eventually learn for themselves… you can’t miss the energy that comes off them in waves.

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Mummobile · 15/08/2023 11:10

MintJulia · 15/08/2023 08:20

This.

They don't like you. You don't like them. Stop contact.

The change could be that you are now mother to your dh's children. You are the centre of the family. Your MIL's 'time' has passed and she is jealous of your position. It sounds like old fashioned pecking-order resentment to me.

Your dh can take the children to see them if he really wants but you don't need to have any more contact, and will make you feel more comfortable. You won't have to put up with their rudeness.

Just get on with your life without them. No-one NEEDS in-laws.

I think this could be partly true 😞

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Mummobile · 15/08/2023 11:11

ChubbyMorticia · 15/08/2023 07:27

I think it’s pretty clear what happened, actually.

You had a good relationship with them when you weren’t telling them no. When you weren’t in the way of what they wanted.

They viewed you as having their gc vs you having your children. Their expectations weren’t met, you didn’t allow them to do as they pleased, you told them no. To them, it was a betrayal, because they never considered you as an individual, but rather a means to get what they wanted. It’s a power struggle in their eyes, and anything less than getting what they want is unacceptable, and all your fault.

You can’t change them. It’s not about you in particular, it would be anyone your husband married who didn’t comply and submit to them.

Well said. I think this is spot on!

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user1492757084 · 15/08/2023 11:27

It is sad.

Just do your best and do what feels comfortable and kind to you.

It's good that your DH still converses but I think there is a good chance that it is the MIL and FIL who have changed now that they are getting older. They are old and inflexible, have less puff and have to worry about their own issues more now.

Try to put how they view you and how they are to you in the basket of little significance. Don't worry about what a person who is nasty thinks. You can't respect their opinion because you can't respect them.
Be your lovely self and support your DH and enjoy him supporting you.

It is generous that you maintain contact so that the kids know their family. You can only do what you can; expect nothing back - maybe you will find that MIL and FIL are in the early stages of a grave illness..

Hoppinggreen · 15/08/2023 11:31

They sound awful and you should just completely drop the rope - all communication goes through DH.
You did seem to have an idealised view and very high hopes of what your relationship with them should be though, I get that you are disappointed for your DC but you can’t change people

Mummobile · 15/08/2023 11:46

Hoppinggreen · 15/08/2023 11:31

They sound awful and you should just completely drop the rope - all communication goes through DH.
You did seem to have an idealised view and very high hopes of what your relationship with them should be though, I get that you are disappointed for your DC but you can’t change people

I appreciate your honesty, thank you.

I party agree, I just expected the (good) relationship I had with them for almost 8 years prior would be the same after I became a mother and not spiral into being essentially rejected. I had a view of what family life would be with children, of having a large extended family or support… but I got the opposite.

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Mummobile · 15/08/2023 12:00

user1492757084 · 15/08/2023 11:27

It is sad.

Just do your best and do what feels comfortable and kind to you.

It's good that your DH still converses but I think there is a good chance that it is the MIL and FIL who have changed now that they are getting older. They are old and inflexible, have less puff and have to worry about their own issues more now.

Try to put how they view you and how they are to you in the basket of little significance. Don't worry about what a person who is nasty thinks. You can't respect their opinion because you can't respect them.
Be your lovely self and support your DH and enjoy him supporting you.

It is generous that you maintain contact so that the kids know their family. You can only do what you can; expect nothing back - maybe you will find that MIL and FIL are in the early stages of a grave illness..

I am a little perplexed, but appreciate your wisdom and thoughts. Putting away hurt is quite difficult when I feel like I get re/traumatised each time we see them. But that would be the goal, to have this not effect me or our family.

My husbands parents are also not old. They are in their early 60s. My father in law still works full time. My mil doesn’t work, she’s been a housewife most of her life, or a SAHM when my husband and BIL was younger. They are both healthy, and like to travel and do thing that healthy people do. As are my husbands lovely grandparents.

My FIL and MIL are also estranged from FIL side of the family, due to them not accepting my MIL. I feel like the generational cycle is repeating itself. There is a lot of unhealthy dynamics at play. I can’t even write everything down here because it would be too much 😔.

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Fraaahnces · 18/08/2023 04:17

I suspect your MIL did all the estrangement on her own. She sounds like a Royal PITA.

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