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Help with 4 Week old!

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Emmaflo · 29/06/2023 12:46

Wasnt too sure whether to post this or not, it's a long time since I have needed advice from mumsnet!

I have 2 beautiful DC, a 5 year old DD and a 4 week old DS. For context I struggled quite badly with PPA/PPD after the birth of my daughter and this is constantly at the back of my mind as I navigate life with a newborn!

My DS was very settled/sleepy for the first 3 weeks of his life. He did not go down in his moses basket (or anything!) and would only sleep on me but I could cope with the cuddles and feeding. I should say though that he wouldn't go down in his moses basket because the second he went on he would pull his knees up and wriggle and wake himself up. There was no crying though.

Fast forward to the last week....DS has woken up a bit and spends ALL his awake time screaming. Constantly. There is cery little that calms him down once he goes other than bouncing him back to sleep. There seems to be no obvious reason for this as he is fed, nappy clean, happens after he has had long contact naps so shouldn't be tired.

I am wondering about silent reflux as he doesn't like going down on his back still, we hear a lot of swallowing/gulping and can hear things going back down his throat, he is very bubbly at the mouth and obviously the severe crying. There are times though when he is happy on his back e.g. nappy change and he isn't refusing feeds. Happily gaining weight too. We have been to the gp to speak about something else and they have given us some infant gaviscon but no obvious improvement so far.

I guess what I am asking is how do I if it could be silent reflux? I am not keen on medicating him unless I need to but obviously want to help him if I can as the crying is very intense and although I feel okish at the moment I am aware that unsettled babies and refluxy babies are big contributory factors to PND and am very keen not to go down that path again, particularly as I have such a wonderful 5 year old who I do not want to see me in a state.

I do have lots of support with a wonderful husband who works from home and family who live close by. My mum and dad were fab with my PND the first time round but my dad is currently fighting prostate cancer and so they are not as available to help give me relief from the crying as they otherwise might have been.

I am trying my best to keep it together for everyone around me but must admit to be struggling a bit. Managed the school run this morning but was terrified DS would kick off the whole way there and back (he did a bit but cried himself to sleep) and I am worried about the amount DS sleeps- all I seem to do is feed him and then bounce him back to sleep after he kicks off. Very little interaction or play/tummy time etc.

Finally I am so confused as to when he is hungry. Every time he wakes up he is screaming so we offer him a bottle (had to stop bfing due to him not latching after tongue tie was cut) but he's not always hungry and might take the whole bottle, might only take an ounce but other than that no feeding cues. If he's asleep on me he would quite happily sleep past the 3 to 4hour window and still doesn't really seem to wake to feed, it's often bcoz I'm moving him or trying to put him down that he wakes.

My daughter was equally unsettled so I know it does pass but do I just wait it out and risk my metal health plummeting or do I seek further advice from GP or HV?

Any help would be massively appreciated 🙏

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Nell80 · 29/06/2023 18:11

Huge sympathies, sounds really desperately hard. I had similar, but not to this extreme with my DS. DS is also bottle fed after tongue tie and failure to BF.
Absolute dream for first four weeks, self settled and I had to actually wake him up for night feeds! Week 4 almost to the day he started screaming blue murder. We responded how you say you have - offer bottle. We suspected reflux so went to GP.
Through some trial and error over a few weeks and a GP with a calculator we worked out we were over feeding him and it was wind/over feeding. Could you be over feeding him? NHS website says 150 to 200ml per kg of body weight every 24 hours. If you're offering every time he wakes you might be doing that? I felt really defensive about it myself at first because the MW said to feed in demand so that's what I felt I was doing, but we did the maths and cut back and he's doing much better.
After cutting back he seems to have more hunger cues. I guess we weren't letting him get to that point?
I would consult with GP rather than HV but I think it would be worth a try for you.
I hope you sort it - let us know

Twinsmamma · 29/06/2023 18:21

My little boy was exactly the same, I found it so hard and the crying was torture to listen to. If I can give you any reassurance it’s just so SO normal, we all panic and just want the answer, I was at my drs every week, no amount of gaviscon or fancy formulas helped, I accepted the contact naps and kept him in his bouncer when I needed a little break so he was upright. As soon as I started introducing very mild solids around 4 months like magic it stopped. Looking back I wish I’d persevered with BF as I think the formula plays a big part, but try and not worry, obviously speak to your HV and drs too but just do anything you can to keep him content and you sane! X

Twinsmamma · 29/06/2023 18:28

He’s also so young and tiny still, all they do is sleep and cry at this age, you’re doing amazing as you clearly care so much, just embrace those contact naps and the peace while doing them! Let him sleep and sleep, it sounds like he is very content and happy when with mummy, this phase goes by SO quickly, just get through the day as best you can x

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longdistanceclaraaa · 30/09/2023 21:10

Hi OP- I rarely comment on threads but I do feel I want to comment on this one.

I was in pretty much the EXACT same situation with my eldest, and there were only 22 months between her and my son. They were both pretty much babies at the same time. They are now 6 and 4, so we are out of that stage but it's recent enough that I still shudder at the memory.

My eldest was similar not only in the early wakening but also the lack of TV as something that would keepher entertained for any reasonable length of time.

What I am about to say might sound unhelpful but I am hoping it at least provides light at the end if the tunnel. Here is my pearl of wisdom-

YOUR CHILDREN WILL GET OLDER AND IT WILL GET BETTER

It feels like hell on earth right now, and it is, and you might merrily want to punch someone who says that you just need to sit this out for a year or so, but I promise that this time does pass and that it is not as long as it feels, and that they in fact DO come to be entertained by TV (I would never have believed this at your stage) and that in a stort while (which seems like a lifetime where you are currently) your eldest will get up at his crazy early time, perhaps need settling downstairs with a snack and tv, and then you go back to bed and genuinely sleep, and before you know it your youngest is joining them without even bothering you, because they have an older sibling to join, and you the get up and start breakfast a bit later.

You will get there. It feels like a tunnel that will never end.

It does.

It just takes time.

They just need to get a bit older, and meanwhile you just have to marshal every bit of resource you can to grin and bear it and put one tired foot in front of the other.

Good luck

longdistanceclaraaa · 30/09/2023 21:15

Wrong thread- really sorry.

Best of luck to you OP

JSerb · 18/07/2024 20:59

Hi,

May I ask how long did it last? I’m at the moment in the same situation and it starts to take a toll.

I find myself crying with her. I do get a little break between waking up, feeding, changing but I can’t keep her entertained for long before the crying starts. I tried massage, talking, toys she is not really interested.

I feel mentally drained and I’m hoping that it will pass soon.

Emmaflo · 19/07/2024 11:15

Hi,

so sorry you’re going through this, it really is hell….but I have good news, it did end!!! About 5 months I think was our turning point but since then he has been the happiest little boy.

i know 5 months sounds like forever right now but hang on in there. It does get better, even when you can’t see it xxx

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JSerb · 19/07/2024 11:46

Thanks. Can’t come soon enough! x

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