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School deferral?

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Bluebelles23 · 26/06/2023 12:50

So my DS is born in June and the cut off for starting school is July 1st. He is currently the youngest in his nursery class and is due to start Primary 1 in September. The option to defer him starting Primary 1 for another year is available but I'm not sure whether this would be the right option for him. Academically he seems to be keeping up and his nursery teacher has said he is ready for Primary 1 and would be bored doing nursery a second time but I worry that socially he will struggle. He seems to attach himself to one child and be keen to only play with that one child and get upset if they don't want to play with him. The teacher advised it is probably a maturity thing and not to worry. Has anyone had any experience in this and deferred or had a child young for the year? I suppose I'm looking some reassurance as it's something that has been triggering some anxiety in me recently, thanks

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anthonybourdainsfurrowedbrow · 26/06/2023 14:23

Is DS 3 about to turn 4, or 4 about to turn 5?

Bluebelles23 · 26/06/2023 17:54

DS just turned 4 at the start of June

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Bluebelles23 · 26/06/2023 18:06

All the children in his class will have turned 4 and be turning 5 throughout the year

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SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 26/06/2023 18:18

We had similar with our DD being on of the youngest in her class and I was thinking of deferring. She loved Primary school though and after a short while you really couldn't te that she was one of the youngest.

Bluebelles23 · 26/06/2023 19:38

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 26/06/2023 18:18

We had similar with our DD being on of the youngest in her class and I was thinking of deferring. She loved Primary school though and after a short while you really couldn't te that she was one of the youngest.

Thanks that's reassuring, my DS loves preschool and attends daycare so he's used to socialising etc he is excited about starting P.1 too. Just worry I'll regret not deferring him if in the future he struggles academically in school

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Fargoer · 26/06/2023 19:43

MN seems generally not keen for delayed school starts. Sounds like you may be in Scotland where this has been common for much longer than England. Suggest the FB group: ‘flexible school entry for summer borns.’

It’s not only P1 you have to think of but later in the school, and not only academics but social and emotional readiness

good luck with your decision OP.

Bluebelles23 · 26/06/2023 20:09

Fargoer · 26/06/2023 19:43

MN seems generally not keen for delayed school starts. Sounds like you may be in Scotland where this has been common for much longer than England. Suggest the FB group: ‘flexible school entry for summer borns.’

It’s not only P1 you have to think of but later in the school, and not only academics but social and emotional readiness

good luck with your decision OP.

Thank you, I'm actually in Northern Ireland were legislation was just passed to allow the option of deferring starting nursery/p.1 if a parent wishes.

I've heard of that FB group but see it as very bias towards always deferring so thought if anyone had experience it would be helpful

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Dysonfansbest · 26/06/2023 20:17

Hi,
My daughter turned 4 2 days before starting reception. I was considering deferral however like you could see academically she was ready and would have been bored with nursery another year. Also I didn't like the thought of how they end up in the right year in secondary so they end up without friends they've grown up with as she would have effectively had to skip a year. Not deferring was definitely the right thing to do for us, she has been absolutely fine and yes there may be some slightly more mature children in her class but she has found friends very similar to her and loves school. You can't really tell who's oldest/youngest anymore.
Hope this helps!

Highfivemum · 26/06/2023 20:18

Each child is different and from what you have said and his nursery have said he sounds more than ready. If you defer you run the risk of him being boarded in nursery for a year. My friend deferred her DD who was an April born ( English sch). Not because she felt it was best but she wanted her older and to be top of the class. It had the opposite affect on her. At nursery she was bored and became naughty and defiant to the teachers. When she started school she hated the fact her friends from nursery were all the year above. In year two she asked could she jump a year up to her official year.

Bluebelles23 · 26/06/2023 20:27

Highfivemum · 26/06/2023 20:18

Each child is different and from what you have said and his nursery have said he sounds more than ready. If you defer you run the risk of him being boarded in nursery for a year. My friend deferred her DD who was an April born ( English sch). Not because she felt it was best but she wanted her older and to be top of the class. It had the opposite affect on her. At nursery she was bored and became naughty and defiant to the teachers. When she started school she hated the fact her friends from nursery were all the year above. In year two she asked could she jump a year up to her official year.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, so hard feeling like the decision we make at such a young age will impact the next 12 years!
Interesting about the girl being bored, that's my biggest worry and him feeling he wasn't good enough for p.1.

My DS doesn't look the youngest and actually won the Nursery sports day race but I suppose the academic side is very much unknown at the moment

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SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 26/06/2023 20:52

I agree that MN can tend to sway towards encouraging you not to defer, I was seriously thinking about it as mentioned earlier but I took DD's lead, we went to the "getting to know you sessions" and she took to it so well, chatting, playing and sitting with the other DC at story time , it just seemed a shame not to send her.

I think in your case I'd consider what the Nursery staff have said and go with your gut feeling.

Fargoer · 27/06/2023 07:50

Dysonfansbest · 26/06/2023 20:17

Hi,
My daughter turned 4 2 days before starting reception. I was considering deferral however like you could see academically she was ready and would have been bored with nursery another year. Also I didn't like the thought of how they end up in the right year in secondary so they end up without friends they've grown up with as she would have effectively had to skip a year. Not deferring was definitely the right thing to do for us, she has been absolutely fine and yes there may be some slightly more mature children in her class but she has found friends very similar to her and loves school. You can't really tell who's oldest/youngest anymore.
Hope this helps!

The information that you had here is incorrect. Secondary schools do not move children to their ‘correct’ cohort. To do so, they would have to prove it is in the child’s best interests to lose a year of education, which is highly unlikely to be the case. This is why the FB group I mentioned is helpful, since people have the correct info. Not everyone on there chooses delaying; some do half days or flexi schooling, and many, like you, are researching. MN is biased in its own way.

I will give you my experience, since you have asked for it. I have a summer born eldest and youngest.

The eldest was always bright and has never struggled academically. However, being the very youngest for their year (should have been born in the next year but was slightly prem), they were shyer and also found some things physically challenging on starting school. They have always been the very smallest child and eg slower to run etc. They have continued to flourish academically but they have struggled emotionally. Reception was fine but they would go to the book corner and nap (having dropped naps aged 18 months) and as school ramped up things got harder. Starting secondary was absolutely exhausting for them: keeping track of all the rules, homework and new social mores. I wish so much that child could have been allowed a delayed start to school.

My youngest is also a summer born. That child, having had older sibs, was more mature and physically able than my oldest child at the same age. I still decided to delay as I had seen by then the toll on my oldest child of starting as a late summer born, particularly in secondary school. This child started school so much more confident even after a year of extra play. Rather than hiding behind me on the school visit as they did when rising 4, they were asking the teachers questions, making eye contact and totally holding their own as a rising 5 on the school visit. They are one of the most popular children in their class and always have a little entourage around them. Incidentally, they were never bored at nursery! No one ever says this about 1 September borns, and tries to get them to start school early. Nursery was great and super supportive and my child has had so much fun playing and learning there this year. It is a forest nursery so lots of practical and outdoor focus. But any nursery that is boring kids is not doing its job correctly. Incidentally the nursery of my older child merely said ‘they’ll cope,’ as though that was the bar that we should have for our kids. They did cope, but barely.

I will also say I was a late summer born myself and always felt kind of pleased with myself growing up that I was one of the brightest despite being the youngest. But I did have issues I wonder if I wouldn’t have had if I had been the oldest rather than the youngest. Eg lack of confidence in friendships; often being walked over by older kids in the year. (This persisted till uni, particularly as I didn’t take a gap year and many of my peers did so lots were 1-2 years older. Summer borns are also significantly and consistently underrepresented in my very academic and competitive degree course). Some of my issues may be personality but who knows. Professionally, I have been successful and done things early but I am not sure the value of this now I am officially middle aged. I certainly can’t get that extra year of play now!

The most important advice I could give is probably to look at the evidence around summer borns. There is a reason why the legislation was introduced.

But I am sure for some kids it might not be the best option. You have to decide what is right for your child. No one else can weigh the options. As well as looking objectively at the evidence, get a range of views. But bear I mind that those who decided to do it will almost always want to justify their actions, and those who decided against it will also do the same.

good luck with your decision.

anthonybourdainsfurrowedbrow · 27/06/2023 09:46

There are some great facebook groups on how you can defer and then have them start reception rather than Y1 at compulsory school age. It is something we are considering.

Worth noting that summer born guidance does not apply if you have an EHCP.

NaughtPoppy · 27/06/2023 09:50

Always defer if you can - there’s a huge advantage to being the oldest in the year rather than coping as the youngest. That far outweighed any risk of being bored for a year in nursery (which personally I don’t think is really a thing).

More privileged families are also much more likely to defer, which also compounds disadvantage.

Dysonfansbest · 27/06/2023 10:44

To be clear I am not against deferral at all, I researched it in great depth as I wanted, and chose, the best for my child. I would have deferred should i have decided that was right for my child. Like you I am just giving my view. It is different in different boroughs, I spoke to my council and both the primary school and proposed secondary school for my child and the information provided was in fact that in our Borough they do put them into the correct age group at secondary. I think it's very unfair to jump on someone on a public forum so venomously without knowing the full facts of that individual.

Fargoer · 27/06/2023 17:05

@Dysonfansbest I am not sure who you think has venomously jumped on you but if it was me, could you please point it out so I can avoid in future?

I was quoting you as it was the easiest was to explain to the OP that this information is incorrect. If this is how you were advised, you were given incorrect information. this has been tested repeatedly by those kids who have moved up to secondary- who may have been the first in the school/borough to do so. The fact is, many schools do not know the DfE guidance, so will just say any old nonsense until it is tested in their school and they realise they are wrong. My kids’ school had zero idea about the guidance and said I needed to prove developmental delay to delay entry. They were completely wrong.

If it’s helpful, the guidance on moving to secondary says:

“The admission authority of the new school will decide whether it is in your child’s best interests to continue to be educated out of their normal age group. Unless there are good educational reasons for a child to join their normal year group (meaning they would miss a year of school), they should remain with their adopted year group.”

therefore any school would have a very hard time proving that missing a year of school is beneficial for ANY child.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/summer-born-children-school-admission/summer-born-children-starting-school-advice-for-parents

that’s why the FB groups mentioned are helpful since they have the correct up to date info.

Summer born children starting school: advice for parents

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/summer-born-children-school-admission/summer-born-children-starting-school-advice-for-parents

Natashas90 · 24/07/2023 17:15

Did you make a decision whether to defer? I think because its still new in northern ireland you don't hear many people that have done it. I'm still in two minds

Bluebelles23 · 24/07/2023 17:30

Natashas90 · 24/07/2023 17:15

Did you make a decision whether to defer? I think because its still new in northern ireland you don't hear many people that have done it. I'm still in two minds

Hi, so we decided not to defer him, I feel he's ready to go and there is no appropriate alternative for him to attend, hopefully he's ok but if he needs a bit of extra support then it's something we can explore. I don't think he would learn much with an extra year of part time playgroup as his current nursery does not have a place for him.

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xyz111 · 24/07/2023 18:25

When they start reception, you can see the younger ones as they're smaller. But a boy in my sons class turns 5 on 31st July and you wouldn't be able to tell at all.

If your child is ready for school, I'd say go for it

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