Bottle problem 16m
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 07:43
My 16m is still bottle obsessed. He hates eating food but he loves milk. Quite often he will throw all his food on the floor and point to the cupboard where we keep his bottles and shout "bot bot"
We obviously try to limit his milk but currently he has 7oz milk after lunch and 7oz milk before bed.
Since teething (all his canines coming through together) he is waking twice a night screaming for bot bot. His food intake has reduced even further as well so we are concerned he is actually waking hungry and have started giving in to him. This is obviously leading to less eating and way too much milk.
It's becoming a real problem and I am really concerned that he does not equate food to satisfying his hunger.
When he does eat he will only ever eat small amounts and he is incredibly picky - fruit, yoghurt, crisps, crackers and anything sweet like biscuits. He won't eat anything carby like pasta, rice or bread. He used to eat porridge every morning but now he won't accept anything on a spoon and he won't try to eat it himself if it's put in front of him.
We need him to eat more and drink less milk but feels impossible when he is screaming for 4h at night.
Please any advice at all? Feeling really stressed with it all and worried there is something wrong that we are missing.
Marchforward · 18/03/2023 08:10
Get rid of the bottles, a very least get rid of them during the day.
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 08:22
We've tried that. He won't take any naps if he doesn't have milk beforehand.
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 18/03/2023 08:26
Tackle one issue at a time
Remove the milk in the night- there will be tears and screaming because it’s a change in habit- offer water and remember he doesn’t need the milk in the night.
however if this is a thread where you want things to change without doing anything I have no advice.
SugarCraving · 18/03/2023 08:30
Is he still gaining weight? Is he happy and content in other ways?
My son went through a stage where he was consuming quite a lot of formula. It was just a stage and I did fret about him. Is he your first?
My advice would be to go with the flow. Carry in with the bottle. This stage won't last forever,
Aquamarine1029 · 18/03/2023 08:30
I would get rid of every single bottle and replace them with sippy cups. He's too old for bottles. I would also stop the nighttime drinking. Give him some water instead and he will soon stop waking for it.
shakeitoffsis · 18/03/2023 08:31
Throw the bottles away. A few days of issues but he won't ask again. Kids soon forget!
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 08:36
@shakeitoffsis I feel if we do this we will have really stressful nights with very little sleep. It's already pretty bad. I'm not sure I'm in the right mind to make it worse.
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 08:37
@SugarCraving no he doesn't seem happy. he is crying a lot of the time. I feel he is always hungry but will never eat.
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 08:38
If we give him water at night he leaks through his nappies almost instantly?
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 08:42
Another question. I am keen to make changes please don't get me wrong - but just feels mean to do it while he is teething so badly? All of his canines are poking through his gums like little spikes
BlackBarbies · 18/03/2023 08:47
This literally sounds like how my daughter used to be!
She’ll be 2 in May and still has a bottle of milk first thing in the morning and just before bed. We’re currently in the process of moving her from a bottle to a normal cup but I won’t take the 3/4oz of milk away from her that she loves.
In terms of the night waking, all I did was slowly reduce the amount of milk I’d give her. I then replaced it with a cup of water and something silly like a hot cross bun. She doesn’t wake up in the night anymore and if she does, I just give her some water.
In terms of eating, it’s so difficult right! My daughter still has porridge for breakfast but she doesn’t like carbs and will only eat spaghetti, nothing else. Will he eat something like breadsticks? I also blend veggies and place that in my daughters food as she’ll eat it if she can’t see it!
I personally don’t think you should throw all of the bottles away!
BlackBarbies · 18/03/2023 08:50
Cross posted with you, how strange. What nappies do you use for him at night? I use Aldi brand on both of mine during the day but Pampers during the night as that’s the only one that doesn’t leak for my kids.
I wouldn’t take any bottles away from him especially when he’s teething, it’s his comfort. Just try to reduce the milk intake during the day/night. The more milk they drink, the less they rely on food to fill them up.
Ohdearnotagain76 · 18/03/2023 08:57
What's right for 1 child isn't always right for another. I think like previous posters have said tackle one issue at a time. Totally understand his teeth all coming at once but at least it will be all over at once.
I personally would start either giving less milk in the night or adding water to it (not sure if this is still recommended as my youngest a teenager) on his last bottle we were always advised to add a Farley rusk but this wasn't something I done again not sure if recommended still. I would look at getting rid of the bottle also, it might be you have to take all at once and just brave the storm, but if you can tackle the night time first I would do that.
PinkDaffodil2 · 18/03/2023 08:58
I’d use the next week while his teeth are coming through to plan what changes you’re making - but maybe wait a week or so until he’s not teething so badly. Make sure he’s getting ibuprofen / paracetamol as needed.
Then I’d concentrate on getting rid of bottles - we just used sippy cups for liquids from 7 months so he’s more than old enough - but there will probably be a few days of upset as it’s not what he’s used to. Does he currently take water in the day from a sippy cup?
Then the night time milk needs to go - replace with water, he’ll be upset for a night maybe two but it’s amazing how quick they learn and stop waking.
Good luck! And don’t put it off for too long, it will just get more difficult x
NuffSaidSam · 18/03/2023 09:16
Firstly, calm down a little bit. It's extremely unlikely you'll be packing him off to university with a suitcase full of bottles and formula. He will eat eventually. As long as he's on an age appropriate formula and gaining weight/otherwise healthy then he's clearly getting the nutrition that he needs.
You need to take the stress out of food and eating before you try getting rid of bottles and making the whole situation more stressful than it already is.
Change the food you're giving him. He's 16 months old, he doesn't need to know about biscuits and crisps and other nutritionally-void foods. It's better for him to have milk than a load of food that's giving him nothing. Yoghurt and fruit is a great start so carry on with those.
Offer food little and often, in a stree free way. If he's had enough/pushing it away, stop. Don't keep trying to feed him so it becomes a battle. Offer food in a variety of ways. At the table as a meal, but also a bit from your plate, some messy play with food, a snack out and about, a little selection of food left out so he can take what he wants when he wants it.
Slowly reduce the milk that he has at naptime and bedtime, when it gets down to a negligible amount switch to a cup of cows milk. It may be easier to do naptime first and then bedtime or both at the same time. If you think it will be easier to wait a few weeks until he's through the teething then do that. There's no immediate rush. No-one will care whether he gave up bottles at 16 months or 18 months or 20 months when he applies for his first job. It doesn't matter.
Through the night offer water, no milk. Find a nappy solution. Bigger/smaller/different brand. Change his nappy when he's up for water.
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 09:16
He does not really drink water at all! We have tried offering it in various cups but he always launches it.
I think for the moment I'm not going to mess with the night time bottles as we need him to sleep right now.
Daytime bottles I am going to limit to 5oz for the minute.
I'm going to go to the supermarket today and pick up some fruit pouches as he will eat those and I believe you can get porridge ones so he might accept that for breakfast I'm thinking.
Also another thing I thought about is at the moment he has oatly barista milk (he's cmpa) but it's 3.5g fat, thinking if I tried him with the reg oatly it's only 1.5g so might not fill him up so much. I don't know. Worth a try I think.
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 09:19
Re - the nappies. The best we have found are the Sainsbury's own 6+ nappies.
He's 16m but he's really tall and he is def in 6+ across the range. We've tried Tesco, boots and Lidl and Aldi but they all leak very quickly.
Do I need to try pampers?
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 18/03/2023 11:09
i wouldn’t implement a change whilst teething.
re: bottles I don’t see any issue- as long as they don’t suck them to sleep.
my eldest had a bedtime bottle of milk until 3 and a half- every other drink in a cup, never a dummy, perfect teeth etc. As soon as I switched to a beaker for her evening drink she refused all milk.
EJRB · 18/03/2023 11:45
Personally I would try to eliminate the day bottles before getting rid of the night bottles
if he’s eating less during the day, which is probably down to teething aswell as consuming milk, then chances are he’s waking up at night because he’s hungry ASWELL AS teething pain, so not only will he want the overnight bottle to fill him up but also for comfort which is equally as important
I would rather deal with an upset baby during the day than overnight. I’d say once these teeth are through then try and tackle the overnight bottle
don't go cold turkey that’s not fair.
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 13:15
Thanks everyone. Cold turkey definitely doesn't feel right at the moment, but I am stressing over how little he is eating.
T0rt0ise · 18/03/2023 13:55
To throw a spanner, my awful sleeping daughter only slept through the night once the night bottles were gone. Yes it was a shit few days but within a week her sleep was far better and she was eating far more. We did that at 12m. At 15m we've literally just gone cold turkey on bed time/nap bottles and it's taken 3 days and she doesn't ask for it anymore (and she was a child that would through a mega wobbly if she saw a bottle/another child drinking from a bottle/her night bottle on the bedside table in the morning... You get the idea 🙈)
MrsChipsreturns · 18/03/2023 17:58
@T0rt0ise I think we'll have to do similar, my son also goes mad if he sees a bottle, even on TV! It's reassuring to know it can be done!
I think it would be unfair to do it with all these teeth causing him pain... But he has been teething forever.
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