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Help with my DS (3.5) behaviour

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Nosleepclub13 · 26/02/2023 23:03

Before I start, I'm sure some people are going to have something negative to say. Please don't. If you can't be positive/helpful please don't comment because I feel like a shit mum without you telling me I am. I already know this.

My son is 3.5 and he's always been hard work but over the last few months his behaviour has really declined. For context we have another child who is two.

His sleep is probably the main issue. He goes to bed at 7 and sometimes it'll take a good hour to get him to sleep. We have to sit in with him until he's asleep otherwise he just screams and screams.

Once he's asleep, he doesn't stay asleep. We have the odd night where he'll sleep through until maybe 5am but that's very rare. Most nights, like tonight, he's up at 9 screaming and shouting. When I go in to him, he'll make up every excuse he can think of as to why he's screaming and shouting.

We will have this multiple times a night.

Were absolutely exhausted. My marriage isn't great because of this and were both so tired. I'm a SAHM and my husband works full time.

Because he doesn't sleep, his behaviour throughout the day is just awful. He doesn't listen to me, we have tantrums over absolutely everything and he'll complain all day that he's tired. And repeat every day. For months.

I don't know what to do or what I'm looking for really. He's got a groclock that he understands and ignores, we've tried a weighted blanket, reward charts, being firm, trying to be understanding, white noise, a light, no light, nothing is working and I'm at the end of my tether. Our daughter has the odd bad nights sleep but on the whole is a lovely little girl and sleeps really well I just don't know what to do about my son.

Someone tell me this is a normal phase and he'll come out the other end because I don't know how many more nights like this I can stand 😭

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dandeliondaisy · 27/02/2023 13:39

Hi, I'm sorry, this sounds hideous. I have a 3.5 year old son too and a just 2 yo. My husband and I share a bedroom with one each. My son didn't cope well when the new baby came and his sleep went crazy, we were moving house and he was going from no childcare to 5 half days, we felt it was a lot of change. It sounds like you've tried but could you share his bed/bedroom with him until the phase ends? I'm sure it will end, all the good and bad ones do. Sending love! Xxxx

dandeliondaisy · 27/02/2023 13:40

'New baby' meaning the younger sibling

Reluctantadult · 27/02/2023 13:44

My daughter has big sleep issues at age 4, she's wake at 1:30am like an alarm had gone off. It also caused behavioural issues, although with her it was more emotional than physical. It nearly resulted in divorce if I'm honest. In the end we found a sleep consultant to help. The doctor prescribed melatonin for a while, on the advice of the sleep consultant and preschool. And we tried a few things that helped, directed by the sleep consultant. I'd describe them as psychological. I've got a note saved on my phone from when I've described a few times before. I'll paste it.

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C4ou56 · 27/02/2023 13:53

It sounds like your son has high levels of anxiety. Most children would do if there parents marriage wasn’t going well and what they did was wrong (he’ll be able to sense your frustrations and like most parents you’ve probably vocalised these at times too).

Does he have anything else going on e.g does he have ADHD?

Reluctantadult · 27/02/2023 13:53

Bedtime passes
If you think the not sleeping is a psychological thing then you could try something called bedtime tokens / bedtime passes. Start with a family meeting, draw up some sleep rules, get your child to suggest and draw them to give them some ownership.

Make loads of tokens together. I mean loads. If the child gets up at bedtime or calls you in the night then that's absolutely fine and allowed. But it costs 1 token. Put tokens in a pot by their bed. If there are tokens left in the morning, the child gets a reward.

For the first few nights the child needs to succeed. So you need more tokens than they will use. My Daughter used more than 30 the first night.

Agree a reward that they'll get each morning that there are tokens left in the pot. We used playmobil, I bought a camping set and split it all up, put the names of all the bits on individual slips of paper in a pot. She drew out a piece each morning, like a tombola. One day it would be a person or horse, the next day a fork or spoon! High stakes...

When they're in the swing of it, you start to gradually reduce the number of tokens in the pot. It took us a few weeks to get down to 6. My daughter started to fail a few times and had to try. We got stuck at this level a while. Eventually we got down to 3 and at some point the system was gradually forgotten.

You can look this up, I believe it's called bedtime passes and there's a few articles out there.

Our main issue was night wakings rather than bedtime, my daughter would wake at 1:30am like a clock and not go back to sleep, sometimes at all.

There is a technique used on insomniac adults where you work out how long you can sleep in a block without waking (xhrs), work out what time you need to get up, and don't go to bed until xhrs before then. We did that too. My daughter would sleep 6hrs then wake. We wanted morning to be 6am. So if she'd have been an adult she would have stayed up till midnight for a week or more, aiming to sleep 12-6, then started creeping bedtime forward. We did 10pm bedtime though because she was 4.

We found she needed to go to bed later for quite a long time then gradually move bedtime earlier in incremental steps. We found in the end we could put her to bed at 8pm and she'd sleep until 6am. If we put her to bed any earlier, she'd wake in the night.

We also went down the meditation visualisations route which she still uses. We had a cd of guided bedtime meditations that she could put on herself. She's 8 now and still listens to lullabies on the Alexa.

I hope there's something here that works!

7Worfs · 27/02/2023 14:06

I think your expectations of your DS are unrealistic.
It’s an easy trap to fall in, thinking that because he’s the eldest, he’s grown up. At 3.5 he still needs you, and you’d forgotten how young he really is.

It sounds to me his behaviour is because he’s desperate for attention and affection.
In your shoes I’d lie down with him and cuddle him to sleep / co-sleep for a while.
And when he’s acting out, look closely cat him and remind yourself how young he is and how much he needs you.

Mamoun · 27/02/2023 14:10

I think at 3,5 he should def be sleeping through.
The sake of your health and marriage are at stake. He needs better boundaries.
I would speak to a sleep consultant. Good luck, but no, you haven't done anything wrong apart from maybe being too soft.

Reluctantadult · 27/02/2023 14:25

Ps we had tried cosleeping and floor beds and she was still up awake and keeping us all up. It wasn't as simple as co-sleep.

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