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Baby won't sleep unless held

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Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 13/02/2023 06:55

My baby won't sleep unless he is held by us.

We've tried holding off on how long we hold him so he's in a deeper state of sleep, but truthfully, nothings working, and myself and my husband have been relying on a couple of hours sleep a night, and I'm at the point I can't do it anymore.

For example, tonight baby wouldn't sleep until 11pm. We had been trying to get him off to sleep from 7pm.
I was up at less than hourly intervals, it was taking 10 minutes of rocking and hugs to get him to sleep, and a futher 10/20 minutes to get him back in his cot. Then he's back awake.
I was up with him until 4am,
Then I said to my husband that I'd like him to have the baby, and all was OK, until my husband tried to put him back in his cot.
Then the screaming started, and now he's wound up, he won't calm down.

Can anyone please tell me how they got out of this? I wanted to do everything baby lead, but this is untenable for us.
He's 10 months old in a weeks time, and this is worse than the newborn stage was. Out of my friends babies are up 1/2 times a night for a bottle, but he's not, and this lack of sleep is affecting my mental health.

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chillichutneysarnie · 13/02/2023 07:35

How's his daytime sleep? How much does he get? As he sounds like he's not tired enough, or has got his days and nights mixed up

Batbatbatty · 13/02/2023 08:23

Has he always done this or is it a new thing?

Pastaf0rbreakfast · 13/02/2023 08:30

I think this really peaked for us around 7-8 months and we just started cosleeping full time.

Sometimes having too much daytime sleep can affect their bedtime, but sometimes you can do everything perfectly and they still won’t go to sleep. Babies/toddlers are strange like that.

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WeWereInParis · 13/02/2023 08:32

How long has this been going on?

I would say you need to try some form of sleep training. But I don't necessarily mean any kind of leaving to cry method, but something where he falls asleep in the cot. Maybe pick up put down, or you sitting on the floor with a hand through the bars soothing him and picking him up if too upset? With DD1 at that age we would sit on a chair near the cot, and it took ages but she'd fall asleep by herself without any crying and then we'd creep out - you probably wouldn't be able to go straight to that, you might need to have a method where you're touching him, rubbing his back etc, then move back to sitting nearby. Even then she still had to be held for every nap though, this method only worked at night 🙄

sunseaandme · 13/02/2023 10:07

Does he sleep much during the day? Only thing I can think of is to assess his total naps and appropriate wake windows for his age x

DontGetEvenGetEverything · 13/02/2023 10:48

Our DC got worse around nine months. We'd have hours awake with the midnight play-times. Very disheartening when you expect their sleep to start improving, not getting drastically worse. But, that phase didn't last long.
I don't have any suggestions, just know it will all be different two months from now.

EJRB · 13/02/2023 13:21

He’s at the age where separation anxiety is really kicking in

is this new or has he always done it?

fwiw my little boy would only sleep during the day if he was held. Once he turned 12 months it was like flicking a switch and he decided he wanted to sleep in his cot.

Sexypyjamas · 13/02/2023 13:26

I had the same. Only thing that worked was placing a hand on his tummy when he was drifting off and then removing hand once asleep and repeat as many times as needed. He eventually got used to me not being there. There was a funny meme somewhere of a rubber glove possibly filled with something to weigh it down and placed on the baby so it stayed asleep. I do get how stressful it can be.

Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 15/02/2023 14:36

Im so sorry its taken so long to reply, I created the post after a particularly bad night with the baby, and I tried to pull myself together to enjoy the rest of our holiday (my eldest is annoyed at the noise and both me and my husband are hanging from the lack of sleep)

So the baby has always been like this, Ive created the problem myself, I wanted to be his comfort, and I wanted him to have all the time that he needed, and thought we might just manage to get into a rhythm of what he was comfortable with. I think we sort of did at night time. He used to just wake for 2 bottles each night unless he was unwell.

Daytime sleep has always been a problem, he takes very short naps. Much of the time those naps fall into the time of once ive finished the school run he will have his breakfast then nap for 10-15 minutes. If I try to put him down he senses it and thats it. Hes up, wont go back down. Often he doesnt have this anymore.

Afternoon nap is also maybe 15 minutes. Ill put him into the car to get the eldest from school, he will scream for a few minutes because he isnt being touched, then often falls asleep, by the time DD gets in the car hes often woken, screaming and im in the back of the car with him.

He doesnt get comfort from our presence but wants to be held. Ive tried to hold his hand, stroke his face, even hold his foot, hes not having it.

He does sleep better when hes in our bed, which is where he was having his night time feeds, but im on numerous medications that really up the risk of co-sleeping so its not an option (both because of his age, but also my medication puts up the risk)

Ive even been assessing if hes busy enough that hes tired when it comes to night time.
most days our routine looks like this:
6am- wake up and ready for the day. The only way I put him down is on a good day because he can see/ hear me he doesnt scream as I throw my clothes on. a bad day, he screams whilst I get dressed, I sing to him, talk to him etc.
7:30leave for the school run... his sister sits in the back on the way there, he screams the whole way back.
8am: back, breakfast.
9:am might nap for 10/15 minutes- has to be held.
When he wakes we get ready to go out to a club/ soft play/ playdate at his friends house.
generally home for 11:30 lunch by 12, he sits in his seat and I talk to him as I cook our food.
by 1pm ish were usually playing in the livingroom, i throw toys on the floor, we play nursery rhymes, have books out etc.
1:45 bottle
2pm leave for school run.
3pm were generally popping to the park, pop to the shops after.
As I cook dinner my eldest plays with him to keep him occupied until my husband is home and takes over.
Once dinner is done, we have bath time, which includes some bath toys, then he gets ready for bed- including a little baby massage, usually a book and a bottle in a dimly lit room.
He usually wont fight going to sleep. If its me he will fall asleep on me,or in his carrier strapped to me. If its Dad, he sings speckled frog and rocks him until the baby is asleep.

We put him down, he wakes, we get him up, bottle, cuddles, speckled frog, hugs, in a dimly lit room, hes good. Goes back to sleep.
Put him in his cot, Nope. Hes up, he screams, then we start again.

This is all so different to the first, I did CIO method with her, and she slept through from about 4 months old. I dont want to do that with the baby, but the lack of sleep is something else.....and my poor neighbours!

FWIW- I can change the babies nappy whilst hes on my bed, no sign of waking up.
I go to put him in the cot, he knows. Doesnt matter how we do it, feet first, bum first, on his side, front, he will not stay asleep. -I promise im not shotputting him into his cot, Ive even tried to take a few minutes to gradually move him down.

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Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 15/02/2023 14:37

Im so sorry, that was so long winded!

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3WildOnes · 15/02/2023 14:48

I would absolutely sleep train. Explain to baby ( I know he's only 10 months but I find it helps) that you will sit next to the cot but you can't cuddle them to sleep. Put a mattress by the side of the bed so you don't need to keep getting up in the night. Try and reassure baby with your hand and voice. If baby is getting very upset pick up and cuddle but put back down if settling. Repeat through the night.

jannier · 15/02/2023 16:03

I always do gradual withdrawal with all the children j work with....sitting next to hand gently on shhhhhh a few times then just hand. Takes a few days of patiently sitting with them before you don't need the hand then a few more of gradually moving a.bit further away each day.

WeWereInParis · 15/02/2023 16:04

I know this is not an easy thing to change but I don't think he's sleeping enough during the day. Two 10/15 min naps isn't that much so maybe he's overtired. Can you hold him for a longer nap after lunch, if you're able to get him down?

Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 15/02/2023 21:05

Ok, so this evening he has fallen asleep next to me as I've jiggled his foot.
In his cot right now. Hoping that tonight continues on as well!
@Jannier I think gradual withdrawal is the way forward. @3WildOnes I think that's like gradual withdrawal isn't it? Tbh, this might be part of the problem, his cot is in line with my bed, right up against one another, we virtually sleep face to face. So when he was smaller and liked to have hold of a finger he was comforted.
@WeWereInParis I've always felt that he's had too little sleep, but I can't seem to introduce more sleep for him. I'll see how I might be able to configure it, the day can be messed around with. Potentially after lunch would be the best time for him.

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Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 15/02/2023 21:05

Thank you all

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converseandjeans · 15/02/2023 21:31

Is he eating enough solids? Have you tried hungry baby milk? He might be hungry. Otherwise he might have allergies?

Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 15/02/2023 21:36

@converseandjeans I think he's eating enough, he has access to food at each meal time with us and has probably about 30oz of milk in a 24 hour period. He is a hungry boy (12-18m clothes weighs about 11kg)

Allergies are a possibility. Thank you

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converseandjeans · 15/02/2023 21:49

I can't remember brand we used but mine had hungry baby milk from about 6 months old & they used to get dream feed around 10pm. Maybe that might help if you did top up while he was asleep.

www.cgbabyclub.co.uk/products/milks/hungrier-baby-milk.html

Might not help if he has allergies though.

Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 16/02/2023 05:56

@converseandjeans thank you! Hungry milk didn't make much of a difference to him when we tried him on it, though I'll certainly give it a try... he used to go through over 72oz of milk some days at 4 months old. I don't miss those days!
He gets on with the SMA hungry milk, so I lose nothing by getting an additional tin.

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Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 16/02/2023 06:00

So I'm up ecstatic, he's only woken twice tonight.
First time didn't cry when he was put into his cot, 2nd time he did, but a moment 2xtra with his bottle and he was asleep again.

This is not a time I've been up voluntarily without the baby in months!

I slept!!

Flook I'm sure, but I slept!

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Soapnotshowergel · 16/02/2023 07:28

I'd be getting him down for an afternoon nap. Lunch done, get cleaned up and then either in the buggy for a long walk (if you can) or in the cot. If he's asleep by 1, then he can be up by 2.30 and ready to go on the school run. If you can get him in the cot you also get a break!

Greendoor12 · 16/02/2023 07:31

This really isn’t your ‘fault’ it’s biologically normal and sleep isn’t linear for babies. Just because you comfort your child doesn’t mean they wake more! Don’t feel bad comforting them!

Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 16/02/2023 10:02

@Soapnotshowergel what is this break you speak of? Can't say I'm familiar! 🤣🤣
The clearing up gets done as I wear the baby usually.
Hes very sensitive to not being held lol. The squats to load items into the dishwasher has done my legs good, but it does hit home that I've made a bit of a rod for my own back with the constant physical contact.

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