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MIL Worries - Advice Needed!

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Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 11:36

For better or worse, we are moving close to my PIL. We hadn't ever planned to do this, it is purely because we are priced out of buying a house where we currently live. Not moving isn't an option as we are currently squashed into a tiny flat with our rapidly growing baby. Had we waited to find an affordable property where we currently live, or near to my parents, it could have taken more than a year, so we had to compromise on location as our current living situation isn't sustainable. It is just coincidence that the ideal home in our price range is a few miles away from PIL. At first I was just excited to have found a home for our little family, but as moving day approaches I am starting to panic about being close to PIL, to the point where I can't sleep.

Since DH and I married my relationship with MIL has been good, however, in the early days she could be manipulative and bend DH's ear until she got her own way. She also had a habit of making decisions for me and interfering in matters which weren't anything to do with her. That said, once DH and I married this behaviour stopped.

Sadly, with the arrival of DD, there was a huge return of manipulative behaviour to the point where I just cracked (for example, trying to take DD away for the day when she was 6 weeks old even though I said no - then telling me I needed to let go and let her take over - telling me DH was lying to me etc.). She accused me of being hormonal and having PND at the time (in terms of my mental health I had actually never felt better, aside from her behaviour causing upset). It was awful and almost ruined the early days of being a FTM.

Rather than stone walling her, I took steps to try and heal the relationship for the sake of DH and DD. Over time I thought we were getting somewhere, but MIL's behaviour has changed drastically again now that we are moving closer to her. I find her behaviour around our baby stressful, she treats DD like a doll, and consistently fails to attend to her needs. When she tries to feed or change DD (after being prompted), baby breaks her heart because MIL ignores my advice on how to approach things, thinking she knows best. If I try to step in MIL refuses to let me, even if baby is clearly in distress. I often have to be quite stern to get her to listen. MIL is elderly (75) and likes to think she is still young and fit, but she is actually quite frail and has fairly poor eyesight.

She has started to pressure us into getting a car seat fitted to her car so she can look after baby and drive her places when DH and I are working. Bear in mind we haven't gotten as far as confirming she will be an active care giver when I return to work, this has been assumed. I have tried to avoid the subject, but it keeps rearing its head. I actually feel sick at the thought of baby being in the car with her.

She also has a small dog who we struggle to keep away from baby during visits. MlL and FIL don't see the problem with this, but the dog isn't familiar with babies and I worry it could turn if DD grabbed the dog's face or coat. We have had words in the past about their lax nature with the dog and for a time, tried to show they were listening. However, more recently they have actively encouraged the dog up beside the baby, even though they know I find it upsetting. The dog would likely be around when MIL is looking after DD (from experience she would likely bring the dog even if I ask her not to). She has also often denied the dog's behaviour (licking baby and toys etc) when it was happening right in front of her.

I am deeply upset at the thought of leaving baby with MIL all day unchecked, especially if it involves her driving DD places. Her age, sight and behaviour have me worried sick. I am also deeply concerned she will start turning up to the house uninvited (she has already tried to invite herself on moving day and has been told no - on that basis she insists on visiting the following day).

Just looking for some advice from anyone who has experienced similar with their MIL. Keen to know if a manipulative MIL who doesn't listen can be reasoned with. Ultimately I would rather work together to achieve the best dynamic for DD, instead of freezing people out, as I don't think this would be helpful to DH and I.

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AmandaHoldensLips · 11/01/2023 11:49

Okay. Step back and take a deep breath.

The answer to this (in my humble opinion) is that you need to have clear boundaries. Your DH needs to be on board with this so you should discuss it with him and have a plan that you are both agreed on.

For example...

MIL not to have a key to your house.
Visits to be agreed in advance (rather than her coming round whenever she fancies).
Dog not to come in your house.
Dog to be kept away from your child and the child's things.
Learn to say NO and not feel bad about it. You do not have to give a reason for saying no.
"No, I'm not comfortable with that."
"No, that doesn't work for us."

You need to assert your position as your DD's mother. Your child. Your rules.

Phrases like...
"that's how you used to do things, but that's not how I do it."
"you've done your mothering with your own children. I would ask you to respect that I might do things differently and that it's none of your concern."

Yes you might have a few awkward moments when she gets stroppy or upset, but trust me, it's better to nip it all in the bud and start the way you mean to go on. She will have to suck it up (or strop off and that's her choice).

Also, think very carefully before allowing her to provide childcare for you.

averylongtimeago · 11/01/2023 11:50

It sounds as if your baby is still quite young. I presume you are maternity leave or at least planning to go back to work before your DC starts school?

Don't discuss future plans with her- say something like "it's far too soon to be thinking about that" just go ahead and choose the right nursery when you need to without her input.
If you don't trust her driving, just don't let her take baby - be friendly but firm.

If you want to be nice, take her with you on the occasional trip out. If she turns up on moving day or the day after, give her a job to do (packing the baking tins/wrapping the pots etc) or sit her in a corner with a cup of tea and work round her. No need to fall out, always be "naice" and kind, but firm with your boundaries.

For reference, I've been in the same sort of situation with my mil, even if it was a long time ago!

AmandaHoldensLips · 11/01/2023 11:51

(by the way - I did this and my MIL thought I was the devil incarnate until she realised I would not budge from my boundaries. When she realised she couldn't bully me into doing what she wanted, she changed her tune. She is now very respectful and we get along just fine!)

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Baconand · 11/01/2023 11:56

You would be an idiot to allow her to provide childcare.
Get your paid childcare organised so it is set in stone.

Then only supervised visits on your terms. No spare key and a ring doorbell. Don’t answer the door to random visits.

Don’t be afraid to lose your shit with her either. I had a screaming row with my MIL in the early days and as a result, according to DH, she is scared of me. Which is good-as she’s an absolute crackpot. I’m not proud of it but came very close to leaving DH over her, so had to be done. I’m more than happy she’s scared of me (I am not a scary person honestly). I also don’t communicate with her directly ever.

enhanced · 11/01/2023 12:19

Have to agree with what has already been said. I can totally see why this is stressing you. But the advice here is fantastic. Just to reiterate what someone else said, don't feel bad! This is your child and your decisions should be respected

Calphurnia88 · 11/01/2023 14:29

You don't have to give her the opportunity to provide childcare when you go back to work, and if she isn't capable of meeting DDs basic needs it sounds like it would be a bad idea.

When she tries to feed or change DD (after being prompted), baby breaks her heart because MIL ignores my advice on how to approach things, thinking she knows best.

What do you mean by this? Can you give examples?

Wibbly1008 · 11/01/2023 14:36

Clear boundaries right from
the start. And wtf are you doing having a car seat fitted to the car of a frail old woman with poor eye sight?! This is madness. Tell her straight and remind DH that if something happens to your baby you will never forgive yourselves for giving in. Once you have this chat with dh you will feel better.

Calphurnia88 · 11/01/2023 14:37

Not sure if this helps but when DS was very little, one of the grandparents offered to provide childcare to help reduce nursery costs.

We were grateful for the offer, but when we explained that in order to reduce nursery costs they would need to commit to looking after DS on set days each week they suddenly went very quiet...

HildasLostSock · 11/01/2023 15:28

She probably can't be reasoned with, and with the best will in the world it would be dangerous to let your MIL care for your child unsupervised, particularly driving with poor eyesight and the dog would also very much worry me. Do not let her. Under any circumstances. PP's have put it better than I could but I very much agree that you need to put in place boundaries and be firm no matter what the response/fallout. It really sucks that you have to do this OP.

Piscesmumma1978 · 11/01/2023 15:29

Can you move in the other direction?

Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:11

AmandaHoldensLips · 11/01/2023 11:51

(by the way - I did this and my MIL thought I was the devil incarnate until she realised I would not budge from my boundaries. When she realised she couldn't bully me into doing what she wanted, she changed her tune. She is now very respectful and we get along just fine!)

This is so good to know. I think it's MIL's reaction that I find triggering. She makes me feel as if I am being wholly unreasonable and will sell the same to DH. This is from firsthand experience when DD was first born. When I tried to create boundaries, she became very manipulative. It's good to know that standing firm worked for you in the end.

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Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:21

Wibbly1008 · 11/01/2023 14:36

Clear boundaries right from
the start. And wtf are you doing having a car seat fitted to the car of a frail old woman with poor eye sight?! This is madness. Tell her straight and remind DH that if something happens to your baby you will never forgive yourselves for giving in. Once you have this chat with dh you will feel better.

I absolutely agree with you. The thought of her having DD in the car makes me feel ill. DH isn't wild about the idea either. As I have mentioned MIL can be very manipulative when I tell her I am uncomfortable with things relating to DD. It is reassuring that others agree it is total madness.

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Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:23

Calphurnia88 · 11/01/2023 14:37

Not sure if this helps but when DS was very little, one of the grandparents offered to provide childcare to help reduce nursery costs.

We were grateful for the offer, but when we explained that in order to reduce nursery costs they would need to commit to looking after DS on set days each week they suddenly went very quiet...

Haha, this one I definitely have to try!

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Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:28

Piscesmumma1978 · 11/01/2023 15:29

Can you move in the other direction?

I wish! We have been looking for such a long time but unfortunately we have been priced out constantly, or faced with a long commute. Where we are going will mean a cheaper/shorter commute, space for my family visiting, so it was the best compromise overall. I just hadn't anticipated silly issues like this rearing their head again!!!

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fieldmouse83 · 11/01/2023 20:28

I'm surprised you agreed to move there given your history with her. Is it too late to change your mind?

Definitely book all your childcare now so it's sorted and have supervised visits with grandma only.

SeaToSki · 11/01/2023 20:31

I would be very blunt

that is a crazy idea

a hard no from me

i will never xyz

If you start off strong then you will nip it in the bud. Dont be mean, but dont sugar coat it or pussyfoot around. You are completely within your rights to say

MIL I dont trust you to look after DD. Anytime she wants to do something with her on her own. If she asks why, say because you dont listen to me. If she questions that..she isnt listening to you!

Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:42

Calphurnia88 · 11/01/2023 14:29

You don't have to give her the opportunity to provide childcare when you go back to work, and if she isn't capable of meeting DDs basic needs it sounds like it would be a bad idea.

When she tries to feed or change DD (after being prompted), baby breaks her heart because MIL ignores my advice on how to approach things, thinking she knows best.

What do you mean by this? Can you give examples?

DD has always been fast taking her bottles, nothing we have tried has changed that. Over time, using slower teats/vents etc, we managed to get to a place where DD feeds perfectly well - she is a happy little thing. I explained to MIL DD takes her bottle quickly, but the teats/vents help so not to be concerned. When MIL was left to feed her, I returned to find the bottle mostly full. When I asked why, I was told that DD was drinking too quickly, so she stopped feeding her. When I tried to resume her bottle, DD was so distressed she wouldn't take it.

Despite reiterating this time and again, MIL still insists DD eats too quickly and removes the bottle. We are now at a point where DD refuses the bottle from MIL - but of course according to MIL, its DD's fault not hers.

With changing or feeding she will say things like "why is she so upset?" Or go "waa" at DD when she cries, rather than recognising baby is hungry or needing changed. I always need to tell her. Fair enough she doesn't necessarily know baby's routine, but my own mother and grandmother are able to quickly identify what DD needs without my input (they have had the same amount of access to DD as MIL since birth). In my opinion it is pretty crucial to be able to see when baby needs something in order to be left alone with her.

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Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:55

fieldmouse83 · 11/01/2023 20:28

I'm surprised you agreed to move there given your history with her. Is it too late to change your mind?

Definitely book all your childcare now so it's sorted and have supervised visits with grandma only.

Unfortunately it is, we are way too far down the line to walk away. That said, we aren't on their doorstep and they would have to go out of their way by car to visit. Its the only reason why we saw it as an ok compromise. I feel a bit silly now agreeing to the move but I genuinely thought MIL would be okay, to suddenly find we are back to square one in terms of boundaries.

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Calphurnia88 · 11/01/2023 21:26

Allegra123 · 11/01/2023 20:42

DD has always been fast taking her bottles, nothing we have tried has changed that. Over time, using slower teats/vents etc, we managed to get to a place where DD feeds perfectly well - she is a happy little thing. I explained to MIL DD takes her bottle quickly, but the teats/vents help so not to be concerned. When MIL was left to feed her, I returned to find the bottle mostly full. When I asked why, I was told that DD was drinking too quickly, so she stopped feeding her. When I tried to resume her bottle, DD was so distressed she wouldn't take it.

Despite reiterating this time and again, MIL still insists DD eats too quickly and removes the bottle. We are now at a point where DD refuses the bottle from MIL - but of course according to MIL, its DD's fault not hers.

With changing or feeding she will say things like "why is she so upset?" Or go "waa" at DD when she cries, rather than recognising baby is hungry or needing changed. I always need to tell her. Fair enough she doesn't necessarily know baby's routine, but my own mother and grandmother are able to quickly identify what DD needs without my input (they have had the same amount of access to DD as MIL since birth). In my opinion it is pretty crucial to be able to see when baby needs something in order to be left alone with her.

Ah OK, in that case I can see why MIL providing childcare is totally out of the question.

(I have family members I love to pieces but wouldn't feel comfortable having DS for longer than an hour because I don't think they can read his cues. Once verbal I will be less worried).

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