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Breastfeeding advice please, at my wits end

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Bumblebee412 · 01/01/2023 13:14

DC is 11 weeks now and we have still been unable to establish breastfeeding.

For background we tried straight away at the hospital every feed and he would mostly just scream at my nipple and not latch at all. I was told to syringe feed colostrum which I did and not to pump yet. I cup fed him in between each feed and tried to breastfeed each time. The support in the hospital was hit and miss, sometimes I would get someone who got him to latch but he wouldn't stay on, other times I was left hours after asking for help with a screaming baby. I was desperate to leave due to lack of support so we went home only to Be readmitted a day later. Met a couple of ladies who told me to get on the pump and we were getting milk to feed aswell as topping up with the infant hospital bottles.
Everyone kept telling me baby was just lazy but it turns out they had a posterior tongue tie. We managed to get referred to the infant feeding team and she could tell baby was struggling to feed with bottle and breast feeding. Poor thing has had so much nipple confusion.
We got a tongue tie appointment for mid December and continued to try latching which we got better at but it was agony because of the tie.

Baby has never not needed topping up with formula from a bottle and now has a milk allergy and I've given up dairy to try and be able to pump.
Pumping is so hit and miss and in all honesty I'm exhausted from it. I have an older child and I feel I just can't pump the amount I need to with doing everything else. My partner is very supportive but has to work so limited to how much help I get in the day. I was giving one bottle of breast milk a day but as baby has got older it takes me 3 or 4 pumps to get enough for one bottle.

The tongue tie has been done and we have gone from feeding for a and being painful to struggling to latch just like at the beginning

I have tried domperidone which has helped but again its back round to struggling to fit in pumping and I end up with lumpy painful breasts.

I don't really know what I'm asking, maybe just a hand hold. This is the one thing about parenting that has me in tears and makes me feel like a failure. I am so close to giving up because I know it's not worth sacrificing my mental health over. First born was not breastfed as due to the traumatic birth (pph with blood transfusion) I got no milk at all and I was in no state to try and breastfeed. I've always felt guilty over this so hoped this time would be different but its just shit for other reasons.

I honestly don't know whether to give it one last try and reach out one last last time to the breastfeeding group I'm in or to give up. The last one makes me sad but the trying and failing makes me equally sad 😭

Sorry its so long and thankyou for reading

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Heathersnotsosmall · 01/01/2023 13:21

Don’t feel guilty, sounds like you’ve tried your very best. A baby need a happy mum who isn’t exhausted and in pain. Feeding is such a big issue at the time but once older, can anyone tell which children were breasted and which weren’t?!
Whatever decision you make, enjoy your baby xxx

3partypics · 01/01/2023 13:21

You are so right that it's not worth risking your MH over, baby will be fed either way and in a year nobody will care or ask how your baby was fed. It's a great thing to do, but it doesn't matter above all else.

I combi fed for 5.5m for similar reasons to you. I now wish I hadn't persevered for so long as it was sore and stressed baby and me out more than just going with bottle feeding, but then on the other hand I also feel guilty for not sticking it out longer. You can't win either way!

Things that helped me achieve more milk - Hakka pump on the boob that wasn't feeding. Oats, I ate a lot of porridge and granola/oaty biscuits, and skin on skin time.

You also need a decent pump, I had a double pump which I combined with a pump bra from Amazon to hold it in place and pumped everytime I sat down to feed the baby a bottle.

Beginningless · 01/01/2023 13:27

Oh this sounds so hard going, you poor thing. We women can put so much pressure on ourselves around BF and how we imagined it would go. Do you have any RL support available to you, la Leche league, NHs infant feeding, even a private lactation consultant if possible? I think that’s one of the main things. But it really is ok to stop. Yes you would feel sad and likely grieve the bf you wanted to do, but those feelings would pass. I struggled on through horrible bf challenges so couldn’t have taken my own advice, but years down the line I can see how intense I was about it all, and how much unnecessary suffering it caused. My kids are still sick all the time! I’m hoping to have a third and now I know my MH and being relaxed for my family would be my top priority. If you can get help to make that happen and BF, great, but if not, give yourself permission to let it go. ❤️

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Montague22 · 01/01/2023 13:35

I have breastfed all mine, but also find pumping really hard going- I did when my baby was poss going to be NG fed (bronchitis) and for half hearted attempts to get them to take a bottle.
Pumping to me at least doubles your work load- you have to faff around with your boobs and also do all the sterilising, then more time to then give it in a bottle.
So I think in your shoes I would move to bottles, but also work on the latch in an unpressured way. You might find that rather than pumping you can use the time to do some skin to skin and latch practice. Perhaps the one feed a day can be a breastfeed. I think I’d give it a go for a few weeks. Maybe go to the group. Poss try nipple shields.
Oats definitely help with supply, porridge and flapjack.

I had to stop feeding my 3rd before her siblings as I had had mastitis countless times, lost half my nipples and then developed sepsis. Yes I felt a bit sad but the sadness soon passes (and is in part a hormone shift). Some babies are just harder to feed whatever you try.

kellymom.com/ages/newborn/nb-challenges/back-to-breast/

Bumblebee412 · 01/01/2023 16:32

Heathersnotsosmall · 01/01/2023 13:21

Don’t feel guilty, sounds like you’ve tried your very best. A baby need a happy mum who isn’t exhausted and in pain. Feeding is such a big issue at the time but once older, can anyone tell which children were breasted and which weren’t?!
Whatever decision you make, enjoy your baby xxx

Thankyou, I'm enjoying every moment apart from the feeding. It is true you can't tell which child was breastfed just by looking at them. I think I'd just naively thought it would be easier xx

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Bumblebee412 · 01/01/2023 16:42

3partypics · 01/01/2023 13:21

You are so right that it's not worth risking your MH over, baby will be fed either way and in a year nobody will care or ask how your baby was fed. It's a great thing to do, but it doesn't matter above all else.

I combi fed for 5.5m for similar reasons to you. I now wish I hadn't persevered for so long as it was sore and stressed baby and me out more than just going with bottle feeding, but then on the other hand I also feel guilty for not sticking it out longer. You can't win either way!

Things that helped me achieve more milk - Hakka pump on the boob that wasn't feeding. Oats, I ate a lot of porridge and granola/oaty biscuits, and skin on skin time.

You also need a decent pump, I had a double pump which I combined with a pump bra from Amazon to hold it in place and pumped everytime I sat down to feed the baby a bottle.

It's funny you've said about oats because I was living off granola bars at one point and I was pumping much more milk so I could try that. I've got a double electric pump which can be used single or double and then I have 2 of the ones you can put in your bra for hands free. The both work well for different situations. It's honestly just fitting it in and I just don't think it's possible without literally doing nothing other than being attached to a pump. I know I'm going to be unhappy for a bit whatever decision I make

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Bumblebee412 · 01/01/2023 16:45

Beginningless · 01/01/2023 13:27

Oh this sounds so hard going, you poor thing. We women can put so much pressure on ourselves around BF and how we imagined it would go. Do you have any RL support available to you, la Leche league, NHs infant feeding, even a private lactation consultant if possible? I think that’s one of the main things. But it really is ok to stop. Yes you would feel sad and likely grieve the bf you wanted to do, but those feelings would pass. I struggled on through horrible bf challenges so couldn’t have taken my own advice, but years down the line I can see how intense I was about it all, and how much unnecessary suffering it caused. My kids are still sick all the time! I’m hoping to have a third and now I know my MH and being relaxed for my family would be my top priority. If you can get help to make that happen and BF, great, but if not, give yourself permission to let it go. ❤️

The only support that I know of is zoom or meeting at a library and I'm just not comfortable enough to whip my boob out in that environment when I know chances are he's just gonna scream constantly. He's thriving with how it is at the moment so I'm grateful for that. I've said one last try and then that's got to be it xx

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Bumblebee412 · 01/01/2023 16:48

Montague22 · 01/01/2023 13:35

I have breastfed all mine, but also find pumping really hard going- I did when my baby was poss going to be NG fed (bronchitis) and for half hearted attempts to get them to take a bottle.
Pumping to me at least doubles your work load- you have to faff around with your boobs and also do all the sterilising, then more time to then give it in a bottle.
So I think in your shoes I would move to bottles, but also work on the latch in an unpressured way. You might find that rather than pumping you can use the time to do some skin to skin and latch practice. Perhaps the one feed a day can be a breastfeed. I think I’d give it a go for a few weeks. Maybe go to the group. Poss try nipple shields.
Oats definitely help with supply, porridge and flapjack.

I had to stop feeding my 3rd before her siblings as I had had mastitis countless times, lost half my nipples and then developed sepsis. Yes I felt a bit sad but the sadness soon passes (and is in part a hormone shift). Some babies are just harder to feed whatever you try.

kellymom.com/ages/newborn/nb-challenges/back-to-breast/

This is what I'm trying at the moment, bottle feeding but trying to latch each feed. He will only ever latch with a nipple shields anyway he's never done it without but even that's challenging at times. I just think he struggles getting the milk out so often gets too frustrated.

Poor you that sounds awful and very scary x

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Pootle22 · 01/01/2023 16:53

Oh my goodness, no idea how you're holding it all together.

I had a similar story, no amount of help and advice worked until a paediatrician shouted at me (uncalled for) to 'give him a bottle then'.

Very good advice, added to my ptsd no end though.

Really, what reason is there to not just feed formula?

💐

Bumblebee412 · 01/01/2023 19:09

Pootle22 · 01/01/2023 16:53

Oh my goodness, no idea how you're holding it all together.

I had a similar story, no amount of help and advice worked until a paediatrician shouted at me (uncalled for) to 'give him a bottle then'.

Very good advice, added to my ptsd no end though.

Really, what reason is there to not just feed formula?

💐

I'm so sorry that happened to you totally I called for. Ptsd is still very much alive got me from the first birth and this one brought it back more.
There's no reason at all to not give a bottle other that sheer stubborness 😑

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fairgame84 · 01/01/2023 19:18

You can have a handhold from me. I'm in pretty much the same situation with a 12 week old, posterior tongue tie, cycle of top ups. I've never managed to fully breastfeed her. She will breastfeed sometimes but other times scream until she's purple for a bottle. I've tried all the usual with pumping etc but it's not a supply issue, my let down is too slow compared to the bottle and we already use the slow teats. I can't keep up with breastfeeding, bottle feeding and pumping, it's brutal and not good for my mental health. I will keep offering the breast and then topping up, I've made peace with it now. She's fed and that's the main thing, I know I've done my best and done e everything to try and exclusively breastfeed.

Katy4321 · 01/01/2023 19:25

So sorry you are going through this. I had similar experiences with a tongue tie and nipples that were so so sore. The juggling of pumping, bottles and breast feeding is exhausting.

For me everything did get better about 4 weeks after the tongue tie was cut. Not sure if it was that the helped, or baby's mouth getting bigger or my nipples toughening up (and silver nipple guards). Or a bit of everything and some luck.
However I'm really not sure I should have carried on so long, and the bf has come with downsides, as she stopped accepting a bottle for months and months, so I did all the night feeds.
I did see a lactation consultant as a last resort and that did help a bit.

Having been there I really feel for you. Whichever route you choose to go will be right for you and your lo one. Xxx

wedonttalkaboutyouno · 01/01/2023 19:41

Ah, I just typed a long post and then lost it!
I had a very similar story to you, and I totally feel for you. It’s hard when people tell you to just give a bottle when you desperately want to breastfeed. We got there eventually after two tongue tie snips (the first one reattached). I found the NCT support group to be a lifesaver, and it was there that it was noticed the tongue tie had reattached. Our group was also held in a library, but it was in a private room, so that may be the case for yours. Also, are you able to get any support from the clinic that cut it (I understand if it’s NHS you may not be able to)?
Whatever the outcome, I would suggest reading the book ‘Why Breastfeeding Grief and Trauma Matters’ as it doesn’t dismiss your feelings of wanting to breastfeed, but helps you to work through them.

MrsSamR · 01/01/2023 20:50

My first DD was also unable to latch for various reasons so I ended up pumping for 12 weeks. It was awful. My mental health was a mess. I was obsessed with how much I was pumping, setting alarms in the night in between feeds and just remember sitting watching my daughter cooing and smiling away in her bouncer chained to a breast pump with tears streaming down my face!

When I had my second daughter I promised myself and my husband that I wouldn't make the same mistake again as it just wasn't worth it. I tried to breastfeed her and again it just didn't work out. I took my breast pump out of the box and literally had a visceral reaction, like PTSD, swiftly put it back in the box and have formula fed her since. Your son has had the colostrum which is the important bit. He needs a happy and healthy Mum. If you need to give up breastfeeding to achieve that don't have an ounce of guilt about it. He'll be fine and more importantly you'll be able to enjoy him so much more. I wish you the best as understand all too well the guilt and feeling of failure but you have tried your best and can't do more than that.

Hatscats · 01/01/2023 21:01

Worth one last shot if it gets them latching again (did you try shields?) if it doesn’t work out then you’ve tried everything - I couldn’t face pumping, it’s brutally hard and although I planned to do it a bit, I never did, luckily my daughter latched from birth as support was also non existent and they definitely wouldn’t have spotted a tongue tie.

Opine · 01/01/2023 21:28

I’m very pro breastfeeding. I’ve fed all my babies after very difficult starts. Even as a teenager. So difficult that I have quite a strong(internal) response to the suggestion that some are just lucky & can BF. There wasn’t an ounce of luck involved. It was gruelling & took everything I had .
I completely understand how you feel & im really sorry that this is your experience.

I think you should try one last time. Find a specialist, online perhaps, & give it a last shot. After that you absolutely should stop and move forward knowing you have it all you could. You will also be able to say that you did in fact BF your second DC as planned. Perhaps not with ease but nonetheless. You are much further down the line than the average woman in the UK is.
i really take my hat off to you. You’ve done an incredible job getting this far.

MySoCalledStrife · 02/01/2023 00:19

My heart goes out to you. I really struggled with feeding my daughter when she was born and went through such lows with it that it really has coloured my memories of her early months. I wanted to breastfeed her and was determined to do it, but I wish they’d tell you that it doesn’t necessarily happen instantly. I did not feel like it was working for me until she was about four months old. I’ve put my experience below - I don’t know if it will be helpful or not but please take what you want from it.

My baby was born via c-section. No one tells you that can really affect feeding initially. The night she was born she would not latch at all and was sleepy. A midwife in the hospital pretty much force fed her a bottle of formula. By the time we left hospital (and I was in for a week following my section) I couldn’t get her to latch for more than a couple of minutes.

When I came out I was told by the midwives to triple feed, so was expressing, trying and mostly failing at breastfeeding and giving formula top ups. Because there were concerns about DDs weight she was being weighed every other day and each time we’d see a different midwife at the clinic who would tell us a different amount of formula to top her up with as if they were plucking random numbers out of the air.

I found expressing really difficult. Neither breast yielded much, one more then the other.
The first few weeks when I wanted to be cosily nesting with my baby was just a hellish never ending cycle of futile expressing, washing up bottles and trying to breastfeed a very hungry baby. The cycle of triple feeding and recovering from a c-section just broke me. My husband and I were so miserable that we had a discussion about giving up on breastfeeding entirely and just giving DD formula. As a FTM I was just blithely following the advice of the midwives at the weighing clinic, and it just made me feel like I was a failure. One of them told me that if I wasnt able to breastfeed DD from each breast for half an hour by the time of her next weight check she would readmit her to hospital. At two weeks it was finally discovered that she also had a tongue tie!

Around the same time, a friend put me in touch with a lady who runs a breastfeeding group locally to me. I had a chat with her and she told me straight away to give up expressing milk. As she put it - “no machine will ever give what you can give your baby.” She told me just to go bed and stay there, put the baby in my nightie, concentrate on skin to skin and just let her feed as much as I could manage whilst carrying on with the top ups. I think she understood that I’d never really got a chance just to “be” with my baby.

Having the tongue tie cut and stopping expressing milk made massive difference to everything. From that point on I relaxed a bit and gave formula top ups and I breastfed. I really thought I’d cracked it. However DD’s weight was still not tracking along the percentile line. At this point our HV referred us to the breastfeeding service. The breastfeeding coach that came out to us told me to stop topping up after every breastfed but instead to give the top ups as two or three larger feeds during the day. That helped massively as it freed me up to focus on breastfeeding the rest of the time. She also showed me how to do breast compressions which helped DD take more. By this stage I’d become fixated on getting DD off formula as I was determined to EBF. She reframed my thinking entirely by telling me that my baby was EBF, she just got a couple of extra drinks every day. DD was about three months old by this point and realised that her tongue tie had reattached. This was cut again.

I also saw a private lactation consultant during this time who honestly gave me nothing useful, and I really wish I’d not spent the £100 I did on her.

By the time DD was four months we’d finally got into a rhythm and now she feeds really well. She has just turned a year and I am still breastfeeding her.

Another thing that massively helped was seeing a chiropractor who specialises in paediatrics. I think it’s called cranial osteopathy. He worked wonders on my daughter. He told me that when babies are tongue tied it affects the biomechanics of their jaws. He basically got her jaw working and her digestion working properly and that helped the feeding exponentially.

Other suggestions are making sure you eat lots and well. Oats are good as is fenugreek.

Whatever you decide to do, will be the right thing. It’s ok to decide to stop if that’s what you want to do and it’s ok to carry on if you want to. I’ve carried on combi feeding and it’s worked really well, but I still remember the hurt I felt in those early days which now seems so unnecessary. Sending you a massive hug.

Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:21

fairgame84 · 01/01/2023 19:18

You can have a handhold from me. I'm in pretty much the same situation with a 12 week old, posterior tongue tie, cycle of top ups. I've never managed to fully breastfeed her. She will breastfeed sometimes but other times scream until she's purple for a bottle. I've tried all the usual with pumping etc but it's not a supply issue, my let down is too slow compared to the bottle and we already use the slow teats. I can't keep up with breastfeeding, bottle feeding and pumping, it's brutal and not good for my mental health. I will keep offering the breast and then topping up, I've made peace with it now. She's fed and that's the main thing, I know I've done my best and done e everything to try and exclusively breastfeed.

Thankyou for the handhold, definitely needed. You certainly have done your best and doing what you're doing I hope is working better for you mentally too. I think it's just hard when it's not the journey you thought it would be xx

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Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:26

Katy4321 · 01/01/2023 19:25

So sorry you are going through this. I had similar experiences with a tongue tie and nipples that were so so sore. The juggling of pumping, bottles and breast feeding is exhausting.

For me everything did get better about 4 weeks after the tongue tie was cut. Not sure if it was that the helped, or baby's mouth getting bigger or my nipples toughening up (and silver nipple guards). Or a bit of everything and some luck.
However I'm really not sure I should have carried on so long, and the bf has come with downsides, as she stopped accepting a bottle for months and months, so I did all the night feeds.
I did see a lactation consultant as a last resort and that did help a bit.

Having been there I really feel for you. Whichever route you choose to go will be right for you and your lo one. Xxx

I'm glad it got better for you eventually :) we are so lucky that he sleep through from 10pm to 6am onwards so part of me really worries breastfeeding would change that too but there's no way to know that without getting to that point. Xx

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Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:30

wedonttalkaboutyouno · 01/01/2023 19:41

Ah, I just typed a long post and then lost it!
I had a very similar story to you, and I totally feel for you. It’s hard when people tell you to just give a bottle when you desperately want to breastfeed. We got there eventually after two tongue tie snips (the first one reattached). I found the NCT support group to be a lifesaver, and it was there that it was noticed the tongue tie had reattached. Our group was also held in a library, but it was in a private room, so that may be the case for yours. Also, are you able to get any support from the clinic that cut it (I understand if it’s NHS you may not be able to)?
Whatever the outcome, I would suggest reading the book ‘Why Breastfeeding Grief and Trauma Matters’ as it doesn’t dismiss your feelings of wanting to breastfeed, but helps you to work through them.

What we're the signs it had reattached? I haven't noticed it becoming painful again when he's on the breast so I hope it's not that. We had to do NHS as no private consultant would touch posterior tongue tie apparently or not the ones withing a 100 mile radius. They don't do follow up bug I could reach out and get referred to the infant feeding team again I think. Thankyou I will look at the book xxx

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Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:35

MrsSamR · 01/01/2023 20:50

My first DD was also unable to latch for various reasons so I ended up pumping for 12 weeks. It was awful. My mental health was a mess. I was obsessed with how much I was pumping, setting alarms in the night in between feeds and just remember sitting watching my daughter cooing and smiling away in her bouncer chained to a breast pump with tears streaming down my face!

When I had my second daughter I promised myself and my husband that I wouldn't make the same mistake again as it just wasn't worth it. I tried to breastfeed her and again it just didn't work out. I took my breast pump out of the box and literally had a visceral reaction, like PTSD, swiftly put it back in the box and have formula fed her since. Your son has had the colostrum which is the important bit. He needs a happy and healthy Mum. If you need to give up breastfeeding to achieve that don't have an ounce of guilt about it. He'll be fine and more importantly you'll be able to enjoy him so much more. I wish you the best as understand all too well the guilt and feeling of failure but you have tried your best and can't do more than that.

Thankyou for this ❤️
Sounds like you made the best decision for you both times too. I had PND and PTSD first birth and I missed the first 8 months of my daughter due to that and recovering from a blood transfusion. This birth was pretty traumatic too. I really don't need anything else on top of that mentally. I seem to be OK trying to get him to latch and staying calm and if it doesnt work and he's too upset we go to the bottle. It's the adding the pumping in, it's too much and I think I need to stop pumping at the very least xx

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Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:39

Hatscats · 01/01/2023 21:01

Worth one last shot if it gets them latching again (did you try shields?) if it doesn’t work out then you’ve tried everything - I couldn’t face pumping, it’s brutally hard and although I planned to do it a bit, I never did, luckily my daughter latched from birth as support was also non existent and they definitely wouldn’t have spotted a tongue tie.

Really happy for you that your daughter latched straight away 😊
Yes we use shields, the same brand as he bottles to try and limit nipple confusion as much as possible. He has only ever latched with a shield. I think we will reach out to local group and give it one last go. Maybe just skip the pumping and just try to bf each feed and only pump if I'm encorged and in agony etc. Honestly I feel like one of those cows being constantly milked when pumping xxx

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Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:43

Opine · 01/01/2023 21:28

I’m very pro breastfeeding. I’ve fed all my babies after very difficult starts. Even as a teenager. So difficult that I have quite a strong(internal) response to the suggestion that some are just lucky & can BF. There wasn’t an ounce of luck involved. It was gruelling & took everything I had .
I completely understand how you feel & im really sorry that this is your experience.

I think you should try one last time. Find a specialist, online perhaps, & give it a last shot. After that you absolutely should stop and move forward knowing you have it all you could. You will also be able to say that you did in fact BF your second DC as planned. Perhaps not with ease but nonetheless. You are much further down the line than the average woman in the UK is.
i really take my hat off to you. You’ve done an incredible job getting this far.

Thankyou. Majority of my friends say they don't know how I've not given up yet, it's meant to be a compliment I'm sure but not always taken that way when you're feeling low.
100 percent one last try and reach out.
I take my hat off to you too, I naively thought this would be easier than it has been and it's become very apparent that it's a lot of learning for both mum and baby and to me is much harder than giving a bottle. I understand why so many people choose to bottle feed straight away xxx

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RememberFlimsy · 02/01/2023 07:46

It's ok to stop.

Bumblebee412 · 02/01/2023 07:51

MySoCalledStrife · 02/01/2023 00:19

My heart goes out to you. I really struggled with feeding my daughter when she was born and went through such lows with it that it really has coloured my memories of her early months. I wanted to breastfeed her and was determined to do it, but I wish they’d tell you that it doesn’t necessarily happen instantly. I did not feel like it was working for me until she was about four months old. I’ve put my experience below - I don’t know if it will be helpful or not but please take what you want from it.

My baby was born via c-section. No one tells you that can really affect feeding initially. The night she was born she would not latch at all and was sleepy. A midwife in the hospital pretty much force fed her a bottle of formula. By the time we left hospital (and I was in for a week following my section) I couldn’t get her to latch for more than a couple of minutes.

When I came out I was told by the midwives to triple feed, so was expressing, trying and mostly failing at breastfeeding and giving formula top ups. Because there were concerns about DDs weight she was being weighed every other day and each time we’d see a different midwife at the clinic who would tell us a different amount of formula to top her up with as if they were plucking random numbers out of the air.

I found expressing really difficult. Neither breast yielded much, one more then the other.
The first few weeks when I wanted to be cosily nesting with my baby was just a hellish never ending cycle of futile expressing, washing up bottles and trying to breastfeed a very hungry baby. The cycle of triple feeding and recovering from a c-section just broke me. My husband and I were so miserable that we had a discussion about giving up on breastfeeding entirely and just giving DD formula. As a FTM I was just blithely following the advice of the midwives at the weighing clinic, and it just made me feel like I was a failure. One of them told me that if I wasnt able to breastfeed DD from each breast for half an hour by the time of her next weight check she would readmit her to hospital. At two weeks it was finally discovered that she also had a tongue tie!

Around the same time, a friend put me in touch with a lady who runs a breastfeeding group locally to me. I had a chat with her and she told me straight away to give up expressing milk. As she put it - “no machine will ever give what you can give your baby.” She told me just to go bed and stay there, put the baby in my nightie, concentrate on skin to skin and just let her feed as much as I could manage whilst carrying on with the top ups. I think she understood that I’d never really got a chance just to “be” with my baby.

Having the tongue tie cut and stopping expressing milk made massive difference to everything. From that point on I relaxed a bit and gave formula top ups and I breastfed. I really thought I’d cracked it. However DD’s weight was still not tracking along the percentile line. At this point our HV referred us to the breastfeeding service. The breastfeeding coach that came out to us told me to stop topping up after every breastfed but instead to give the top ups as two or three larger feeds during the day. That helped massively as it freed me up to focus on breastfeeding the rest of the time. She also showed me how to do breast compressions which helped DD take more. By this stage I’d become fixated on getting DD off formula as I was determined to EBF. She reframed my thinking entirely by telling me that my baby was EBF, she just got a couple of extra drinks every day. DD was about three months old by this point and realised that her tongue tie had reattached. This was cut again.

I also saw a private lactation consultant during this time who honestly gave me nothing useful, and I really wish I’d not spent the £100 I did on her.

By the time DD was four months we’d finally got into a rhythm and now she feeds really well. She has just turned a year and I am still breastfeeding her.

Another thing that massively helped was seeing a chiropractor who specialises in paediatrics. I think it’s called cranial osteopathy. He worked wonders on my daughter. He told me that when babies are tongue tied it affects the biomechanics of their jaws. He basically got her jaw working and her digestion working properly and that helped the feeding exponentially.

Other suggestions are making sure you eat lots and well. Oats are good as is fenugreek.

Whatever you decide to do, will be the right thing. It’s ok to decide to stop if that’s what you want to do and it’s ok to carry on if you want to. I’ve carried on combi feeding and it’s worked really well, but I still remember the hurt I felt in those early days which now seems so unnecessary. Sending you a massive hug.

You definitely had a rough ride, well done for carrying on and getting there!
The difference of advice we were given hasn't helped our journey just like it didn't with yours. I had a choice of elective c section and one of my reasons for not doing it was the extra difficulty breastfeeding and lack of support in hospital. We were an emergency ventouse which I didn't know could cause feeding issues and prolonged jaundice either. You're doing amazing to still be going with the bf! Whatever happens after this last try I have done my absolute best and I will make peace with that xxx

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