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Extraordinarily willfull one year old actively resisting attempts to wind him

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Babysomnia · 14/12/2022 04:22

Hi All, we have a one week old boy that we are struggling to wind. He has had the hiccups three or four times already today. Every time we stop feeding to wind him (we are doing combination feed until enough milk comes in) he makes himself stiff as a board and pushes with his legs, forcing his head around hunting for more milk. This makes him very hard to manage. Even if I put him over the shoulder he strains around and sucks my shoulder. Is this normal? I thought babies of his age were less strong and easier to handle.

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bluejelly · 14/12/2022 04:25

Have you tried seeing what happens if you don't wind him? I didn't ever wind my dd as I read somewhere that winding is culturally specific ie babies in various countries don't ever get winded and are fine. Also I think BF babies don't need it so much.

bluejelly · 14/12/2022 04:27

Also if he is sucking your shoulder it would suggest he would like to keep feeding instead of stopping to be winded...
best of luck anyway, the early days are tough but they do get easier!

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 14/12/2022 04:29

Just breastfeed him. He probably doesn’t like formula. Mine was like this, totally normal.

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BigFluffyHair · 14/12/2022 04:32

We didn't need to wind either of our BF babies. Perhaps as others say don't for a bit and see what happens. You will soon find out. Didn't need to combination feed either even though my milk took time to come in. By combination feeding you may well be slowing your supply anyway as your body thinks it doesn't need much.

wibblewobbleball · 14/12/2022 04:54

Sit him up instead and support his chin with your hand and rub his back, instead of putting him over your shoulder. You'll be slowing your milk supply by combination feeding by the way. You're better off stopping and just BF on demand.

IceCreamWoes · 14/12/2022 04:57

Agree with the poster saying combination feeding will affect milk supply. Your body is very clever and will know how much to produce by how much your baby is feeding. It won't start producing more milk if you're not feeding your baby.

CoalCraft · 14/12/2022 05:21

Yes this is normal rooting behaviour. A one week old can't be willful!

Fleur405 · 14/12/2022 05:26

NOTHING makes a baby angrier than taking them away from their food when they are still hungry! Unless he’s really struggling with wind and bringing up a lot of milk I would try winding less frequently (or not at all unless you feel he really needs it). To reduce the need for winding you need to reduce the chance for him to gulp in air when feeding - so breast feeding with a good latch and then if bottle feeding using the right flow teat and paced feeding. Mine didn’t really need winding but all babies are different!

CocoLux · 14/12/2022 05:38

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 14/12/2022 04:29

Just breastfeed him. He probably doesn’t like formula. Mine was like this, totally normal.

Because it's that easy...

trampoline123 · 14/12/2022 05:40

Just keep feeding him, he's hungry

Nix32 · 14/12/2022 05:54

A one week old can't be wilful. He's trying to communicate that his needs aren't being met. Other posters have given great advice about winding positions and why combination feeding isn't a great idea so early.

ohioriver · 14/12/2022 06:15

Just bf him until he stops

Combination feeding at that age will mess with your supply.

He's not being wilful. He's a one week old.

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NewtoHolland · 14/12/2022 06:27

Bless his heart being labelled willful at one week! He just sounds really really hungry let him feed longer in between winding.
Feeding isn't a battle of wills, it's key bonding time so try if you can to make it as nice for both you and for him as you can..so for you that might be best somewhere you are comfy, perhaps having something on that you like to listen to, just making it pleasant for yourself if you can so that you are relaxed,
If you're relaxed he will pick up on that and start to be more relaxed after a few days, you'll be able to start noticing his cues more which will help you both.
Be kind to yourself, this time is intense.

ElmTree22 · 14/12/2022 06:29

Combination feeding will only prolong your milk supply. By one week it should be in or coming in and working out how much your baby needs. It can take 6-8 weeks for it to level out once the baby had signalled to your body how much to produce.
Sounds to me like your LO isn't finished feeding so won't have much of a burp to produce anyway. I would keep feeding until LO pulls off the nipple themselves and the burp afterwards. I am ebf but have to bump my DD after each breast as she suffers from very bad wind and if I don't wind her she will be struggling afterwards. So burp away but I would allow your baby to finish/drain the boob as much as it needs first. Otherwise your signalling to the baby you are removing it's food source and signalling to the breast to stop producing which will interfere with the production.

ohioriver · 14/12/2022 06:29

You might want to get mumsnet to change your title. It says one year told.

Believeitornot · 14/12/2022 06:32

he isn’t wilful, poor baby. He’s 7 days old?

The advice to combination feed is to wait a few weeks first.

I wouldn’t worry about winding during feeding. Wait until the end of a feed and just hold him upright and rub their backs gently. That used to sort mine out. Didn’t always get anything out - they were BF.

Jingleoverthatway · 14/12/2022 06:42

You're in for a shocker if you think that's willful.👀

I think he's still hungry and wants to feed for longer. I'd be pretty narked if someone took away my dinner too. Babies get hiccups all the time in my experience, they're bodies are adjusting.

Jingleoverthatway · 14/12/2022 06:43

Wrong their/they're/there. Will we ever get an edit function?!

WonderingWanda · 14/12/2022 06:45

He may have bad wind or colic. My ds wanted to feed endlessly but really he just wanted to suck for comfort because he had wind, I was breastfeeding so that kept filling him up with more milk and making him windier. I discovered that the problem was when I ate baked beans. As soon as I stopped this he was fine and didn't really need to be winded.

JennyForeigner · 14/12/2022 06:48

Also agree wilful is an unfortunate way to describe a newborn.

When they are that tiny, milk goes in and it comes out. Their bodies are so squishy that there isn't anything to brace against internally iyswim.

You could try changing milk. We eventually swapped our oldest to kendamil after serious antibiotics at birth and tummy pain and didn't regret it, and then used it for our twins.

It does sound as though your boy is hungry though, so give him as much as he wants, and hold or comfort him vertically after feeds and if a bit of milk comes back to haunt you, that's just babies.

PritiPatelsMaker · 14/12/2022 06:52

Don't think I ever winded mine. Tried a couple of times with DC1 but it didn't seem to make any difference so didn't bother again.

Itisbetter · 14/12/2022 06:52

Feed him and wind him at the end. Mixed feeding will not help your milk supply ad formula is very different in the tummy than breast milk so it’s easier to just bf for the first few months. Nobody has tons of milk in the first half of the first week because your milk takes a few days to come in, so it’s a normal part of establishing breast feeding.
Id try a few days in bed or on the sofa with lots of food and drink and rest and skip the bottles and you’ll probably find it all clicks.

pelargoniums · 14/12/2022 06:53

He’s hungry! Just keep feeding til he falls asleep. Plonk him over your shoulder for a bit as a nod to winding. Put him down. Repeat when he wakes.

jumperoozles · 14/12/2022 07:00

If you want more milk to come in you need to breastfeed on demand otherwise you will never produce enough.
It sounds like he’s still really hungry and wants more milk - you need to go with it, he’s one week old and not wilful at all.

JenniferBarkley · 14/12/2022 07:02

ohioriver · 14/12/2022 06:29

You might want to get mumsnet to change your title. It says one year told.

So I'm not the only one who opened this thread picturing someone chasing a toddler around the house to wind them?

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