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Is this normal for a four year old?

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pompomsandtinsel · 11/12/2022 15:37

I have a nearly 5 year old, very good speech, normal home life, gets on well at school but at home is very very difficult.

Lately she's started saying she hates us. She hates us and everyone in our family. She's angry a lot.

If shes tired she's angry. If she's hungry she's angry. If she's shy she's angry. If she's anxious about something she's angry.

I'm at a bit of a loss what to do with her.

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Cinnabomb · 12/12/2022 11:25

@pompomsandtinsel i know exactly what you mean about living your life around her needs second by second- it’s hard to explain but I get you. Like there is absolutely zero flex in what I can do because if anything is even a tiny bit wrong she explodes and all hell
breaks loose, but it often does anyway and most days nothing is wrong and she’s still a horror. And then I’m always saying “oh she’s had a meltdown because she’s tired, because she’s hungry” etc etc when actually I spend my life optimising her whilst her poor brother gets completely ignored as he is ‘the easy one’.

Richtea67 · 12/12/2022 11:40

pompomsandtinsel · 11/12/2022 16:00

When she says she hates us I normally say "ok well I love you anyway" and brush it off but it's wearing me down. I've put her in her room today as she's just being so vile and I needed a break. When I went up she's written NO on her door.

I'm glad I've done the thread as I will try the screaming into a pillow (me and her 😂)
A sensory box...what shall I put in it?
And wine. I'm going to definitely have wine now.

I let dd pick her own items for her calm box..we used a shoe box which she decorated. She picked one of my scented lip balm, a soft toy and a squishy light up ball. The trick is to get them to use it before they go nuclear, as by then it may be too late for them to engage with it! Good luck, and it will pass x

wingsofabird · 28/09/2023 20:54

OP @pompomsandtinsel I know this is a fairly old thread but I just wondered if things had improved?

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partypompoms · 28/09/2023 20:56

@wingsofabird I had to scroll back to see what thread I'd started. I can't even remember this phase hardly now! So yes definitely better. In fact she's loving and pleasant and thriving.
Are you having similar problems to what I was?

wingsofabird · 30/09/2023 13:10

@partypompoms oh so pleased for you! That's great to hear thanks so much for replying. Yes walking on eggshells here and screaming into pillows 🤣

partypompoms · 30/09/2023 13:30

@wingsofabird has something changed in your house or situation generally? I think sometimes kids are just bloody awful. I know they are just behave as a way of communicating but it's still awful for everyone around them.

BertieBotts · 30/09/2023 15:22

I've had two challenging 4yos and they were both easy at 2, a bit more challenging at 3, but 4 was the absolute killer. My current 2yo is easy again IMO so I'm sure I've got it all to come again 😨

I have wondered if it's parenting style related - how would you all describe your parenting style? I tend towards being quite "gentle parenting" which for me was how to talk so kids will listen / control the environment rather than the child / distract, validate and redirect rather than blame/shame/expect compliance etc. And I think this leads to three things: -

First, the twos are much easier because you're not constantly giving them commands, and then waiting for them to comply (or not) and reacting positively/negatively accordingly. This doesn't REALLY work for 2yos, even though it's the received one size fits all parenting approach that's supposed to work for all children, which is why age 2 has the reputation for being terrible. So it neatly avoids all that conflict with a 2yo because you're not expecting them to be compliant in the first place, and you'll tend to have a wonderful time at two. However, by the time they get to four, most children who have been parented in the more "standard" way ARE getting the hang of it and are basically compliant most of the time. So if you've not been "training" that, they will totally stand out against other children their age. You're basically butting up against the terrible twos anyway, just two years later.

Secondly, you can be lulled into a false sense of confidence in your own ability to set boundaries, especially if you were attracted to this kind of parenting style because you're conflict-avoidant. 2 year olds are very easily distracted, redirected, and comforted, and so you can think "Well, I got them to stop doing that thing - I held the boundary!" The same tricks don't work so well for 3 and 4 year olds. If you've got used to "holding boundaries" in a very stretchy, roundabout way ie letting child think that they have won, outsmarting them, or just distracting them away from their frustration, you're likely to run into issues at the later end of three coming into four, because children start to develop more sophisticated thinking processes and they will dig their heels in harder and fight harder and be less easily persuaded, and you'll then frequently find that you run out of rope, patience, tricks etc before they do and then you don't know what to do because in reality you haven't actually got solid boundary holding skills.

Lastly, I think you can fall into a trap where, by trying to avoid any notion of shame or blame, and sometimes when trying to protect children from experiencing difficult emotions, or prevent tantrums, you end up giving children control without responsibility, without holding them accountable so to speak, and this can end up with the "little dictator" who thinks that the world revolves around them and why wouldn't it, because it always has and nobody ever demands anything back from them, they expect everything to be a transaction or negotiation, of which they are ultimately in control.

I don't have great solutions for any of these BTW but I do think understanding the problem is one step towards solving it.

BertieBotts · 30/09/2023 15:23

Oh I can't believe I typed it all out and it was an old thread Grin Oh well!

PickledFox · 30/09/2023 15:34

Lolz at Fucking Fours 😆😂🤣

Mine growls and roars like a lion.

openallday · 02/10/2023 08:04

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wingsofabird · 07/10/2023 12:28

@BertieBotts people will still read it even though it's an old thread - I will! thank you for taking time to post

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