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How the heck to navigate this (split family situ)

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MatterOfThyme · 31/08/2022 19:18

This is a complex one. NC as very outing. I really don't know how best to handle it.

My DD's father / paternal grandparents were very emotionally abusive to me but have never (previously) showed any signs with her. We split whilst I was still pregnant, I've worked very hard to build a good, stable family dynamic and co-parenting relationship. Standard alternate weekends arrangement, she lives with me through the week. On her Dads' weekends he chooses to let her stay with the grandparents quite often because he works a lot - for same reason, they tend to have her for most of his share of holidays. She is now upper primary school.

She used to have an excellent relationship with the grandparents, but in the last year has started getting very stressed about going there, nightmares when she comes home etc. She recently opened up to me that the grandmother in particular is very emotionally abusive - makes her spend hours doing things she wants to do but refuses to talk to her about or do anything she likes. Gets explosive over things not going exactly the way she'd planned. Tries to "teach" DD lots of high level things (she used to be a teacher) but then gets angry if she can't grasp them. Calls her bigoted if she has a different opinion to her. These are just a few of many examples. I believe DD as this is exactly how she used to be with me. The grandfather on the other hand does a lot of blackmail if she doesn't want to go "we won't be around forever" etc.

I spoke to exP and said this really has to stop, DD is dreading going to theirs and doesn't want to stay for long periods like holidays anymore although she doesn't mind seeing them with him. I thought, naively, that he'd back her corner but instead he's got cross and said if that's how she feels, she needs to tell them this herself at a formal meal he's organising. And that she should expect they'll give away all her things etc. He also keeps pressuring her to make a decision re: all holidays and weekends for the rest of the year because they book so far in advance.

I just don't know how to help. DD is adamant she doesn't want to cut contact altogether or ruin the relationship. But she's also v stressed and unhappy and I feel both her grandparents and dad are treating her abusively. If I weigh in, it's likely to turn very nasty as they are all the kind of people that if you disagree with them they dig their heels in more and twist the situation. And whilst I absolutely don't mind fighting DD's corner, I'm concerned I may make things worse for her.

Sorry that was so long - any suggestions appreciated.

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WoolyMammoth55 · 31/08/2022 21:25

MatterOfThyme · 31/08/2022 20:49

100% ! I keep telling her this but just the thought of it makes her cry. She absolutely hates upsetting people, she's very sensitive and empathetic. I wish they extended the same courtesy to her. But her father's view is that she needs to toughen up and say what she wants, and that actually she isn't being sensitive hurting her grandparents like this so she should take ownership of that choice. I just think she's so young to have to do that, I can't make him see his logic is flawed. He's currently refusing to talk to me, but will hopefully re-engage soon.

OP, I'm sorry but this is why an 11 year old needs their parents to PARENT.

You identified at the start of this thread that your ex and his parents are abusers - they abused you.

Now your DD reports the same, AND she's stressed and having nightmares.

You, the parent, need to take action to get her away from these abusers - including her dad if necessary - because she's a child and she doesn't want to make anyone feel bad, but she is feeling bad.

Whatever boats will get rocked, whatever bridges will get burned, she should not be being abused. And the buck stops with you.

Best of luck.

MatterOfThyme · 01/09/2022 10:32

She really really doesn't want to lose her dad in this and won't forgive me if she does. Getting him to understand he needs to fight her corner with them is my best bet - but I tried again and he's told me both me and DD are making a huge problem out of nothing. I can't see which way to go as my only option is to force cut contact with the lot of them, which she doesn't even want. Given a few more years she can just choose to see them again anyway and she'll put herself right back in the same position. What she wants, quite rightly, is for them to just be normal and treat her right but that isn't going to happen.

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MatterOfThyme · 01/09/2022 10:34

Also, on needing parents to parent. I am doing...but I'm only half of her parents. Her dad has equal parental responsibility. I have no reason to believe he's ever been in any way abusive to her and she says she's happy being with him. So if he won't back her corner on this, the problem is that by going the legal route against the grandparents, it also ruins the relationship with her dad. Who I DON'T have grounds to stop her contact with. That's the complication here and why it's not as simple as "just parenting".

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Krakinou · 31/08/2022 21:15

I guess her father grew up with these people full time and that’s made him who he is today. He is shifting the blame onto your DD, and making her responsible for standing up to his parents because he, as an adult, is still not able to stand up to his own parents.

I’m with the other posters - you need to step in even if your daughter is worried about the consequences. Tell them the travel is too much for her to manage now she’s starting secondary school, homework increasing etc. so she’ll be reducing visits and prioritizing the weekends her dad is actually around.

Agree with all of this

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