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Car seat advice - toddler seat vs toddler to 12

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PoTayToes80 · 21/08/2022 09:36

Hiya,

My (large) baby is six months and will have outgrown his Maxi Cosi Coral 360 in a couple of months so we’re looking for the next seat.

I’m considering whether I’m best getting the Pearl 360 (using our existing isofix base) or skipping a toddler specific seat and going for one that will last 9 months to 12 years. We obviously want to keep him rear facing for the next couple of years.

Looking for recommendations of good 1/2/3 car seats that will last until 12 as well as any pros/cons of not getting a toddler specific seat.

Thanks! 🙏

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YaaYaaYaa · 21/08/2022 09:56

To be honest, I think the whole until 12 years old thing is a bit unrealistic as I'd imagine most kids reach 135cm well before 12. My 6 year old is almost tall enough not to need a car seat so the 12 year olds they go by must be very small..probably the same kids they base kids clothes sizes off lol (my 6 year old is in 9-10 size clothes!!). My 2 year old is quite tall too so he will be the same, he still fits in his pearl but I'd still probably go for something that will last beyond that, as if yours is growing out of their infant car seat at 6 months old, they will definitely outgrow the pearl before 4. I have the maxi Cosi titan pro from DS1, which is good but it's forward facing only so not suitable until at least 2 tbh. You will be able to find something like the pearl that can face both ways but then can also turn into a backless booster. I think a couple of maxi Cosi seats rear face until 4 and go up to 7 which is probably ideal.

mishmased · 21/08/2022 14:07

Axkid Minikid, britax two way elite are two good brands that just popped in my head but I think they will be too big for your baby. At 6 months it is very rare for a baby to outgrow their infant seat (not doubting you). Is your baby's ears above the top of the seat? Most of the belted stay Rearfacing until around age 6 but the isofix are Rearfacing until age 4 or 18kg. My second rearfaced in the Axkid Minikid from 16 months until 4 years.

mishmased · 21/08/2022 14:08

Just to add we have one from 4 to 12 years. If you fancy splashing out the Axkid one/one plus goes up to age 6/7 and it is a fabulous seat.

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teaandbiscuitsforme · 21/08/2022 14:16

It's much better to get the best ERF seat you can now and then when they're 4+ (or beyond if you want to!) buy a HBB. High back boosters don't have to be expensive, the Joie Trillo for example is under £50.

We had Axkid Minikids for both DC. They're fabulous car seats. Otherwise look for car seats that have passed the Swedish Plus Test as it's the most rigorous of car seat safety tests.

Caspianberg · 21/08/2022 14:20

We have the maxi cosi mica which is birth-4. It’s basically the same as the Pearl 360 though I think.

I really like the spin feature with a toddler. They are at the heavy but still need lifting in and out stage, and you need to strap in properly still. So for me that’s the best time to have spin feature.

Fyi Ds is tall. He was 9lb born, and now at 2.4 is 95cm. He still has loads of room in the maxi cosi mica, he just folds legs, and must have long longs and shorter torso as head height still lots of room. He’s rear facing still.

I wouldn’t want a large 4-12 year old seat, as the advantage then of a normla
one is they are easier to move between cars

PoTayToes80 · 21/08/2022 15:41

Thanks everyone, sensible advice.

@mishmased he’s not out of it yet, but based growth charts will be bang at the top limit by 9 months. I’m just doing a bit of research ahead of them.

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mishmased · 21/08/2022 15:43

@PoTayToes80 makes sense 😂

BertieBotts · 21/08/2022 20:25

It sounds like he's bigger on the growth centiles. The Pearl 360 and most of the 123 type (1-12y) seats all have a similar issue in that the harnessed mode maxes out at 105cm or 18kg. If he's on the bigger side, that's no use to you as you'll need to buy another seat in a couple of years and you won't want to move him to the booster mode in a combination seat because he'll only be little still. Looking at the chart, if he'll be 75cm at 9m that's 75th centile which is borderline for the 105cm/18kg seats. It might be that he will slow down (DS2 did, just turned 4 and has plenty of space in his 105cm seat) but it can put you close to the line and then you're in an annoying position of just wishing they were 6 months older and not really wanting to buy a new seat just for 6 months' harness use.

Another issue with a lot of the 123 seats is that they are only forward facing. Since you've said you want to rear face for the next couple of years, it sounds like you're already aware of the benefits. Although there are some "all-stage" or 0123 seats which can rear face and then turn into a booster, I wouldn't bother with them. They make too many compromises, the rear facing mode is usually only allowed to be used in recline mode, they are absolutely enormous and impractical, and they get poor safety test scores. Get a seat for each stage, or that does at the max two things. Trying to fulfil 4 different roles (newborn seat, rear facing, forward facing, booster) is too much.

I wouldn't personally bother with the Pearl 360 either. £300 is a lot of money to take your base out of use. There are spinning seats available in the region of £200-280 which come with the base attached, allowing you to keep your base free in the event of needing it for another baby. It is a bit of a con this idea that you need the base for the next seat. Most of them don't need a separate base. At least compare it with other options.

So you need something to stay rear facing, at least immediately, and ideally to last longer than the standard 18kg/105cm. The next step up from that is 25kg/125cm. I'd look into the following options:

  • Swedish extended rear facing seats, like Britax Max Way, Axkid Move, Avionaut Sky, Besafe Stretch, etc. These allow rear facing all the way up to 125cm (varying weight limits, but all more than adequate) - that might seem a bit unusual, but many children get on very well with this and the seats are comfortable and well-made, with good leg room etc and rear facing does continue to be of benefit right up to 4 years old and beyond. Only caveat is, as you have a 75cm limit seat and your baby will reach this before a year, it is worth seeking out a real life specialist retailer who stocks them to try before you buy, because unfortunately some of the cheaper models have a higher starting weight/height than the newer, more expensive ones. Look on Axkid's website for UK stockists to find one local to you (Axkid stockists often have the other brands too).
  • Maxi Cosi Beryl. This is an unusual seat that is rear facing up to 13kg and then forward facing up to 25kg. Out of all the forward facing harness seats, it gets the best score from ADAC/Which, except that they downgraded it for side impact protection once the child's head is out of the shell, and the harness is notably short, so it likely won't get you all the way up to 25kg, but for your situation where your child is likely to be borderline 18kg at 3.5 - 4 years, this is really not an issue since it's not like you will need the whole 25kg capacity, just probably 20kg or so. You'll be able to use it as long as you want and then when he gets too tall, change to a booster. The cons are the low rear facing limit (comparative to 18kg/25kg seats) and it doesn't spin.
  • BabyAuto Dupla - I know I said don't bother with the 0123 seats, but this is worth a look if you think you'd do a cheaper 0-4y seat for rear facing and then buy a 25kg harness FF seat later. It does both of those things (RF to 18kg, FF harness to 25kg) in the same seat so can be worth looking at. Cons are that it's a budget make, doesn't spin again, needs top tether and the safety performance is unknown compared with other seats, although rear facing is safe regardless of the seat and once you're in 25kg FF harness, there aren't many options.
Or you could gamble with the longer-lasting requirement, perhaps if you think it's likely you'll have another child to hand this seat down to later, it won't matter. Look at spin seats which rear face up to 105cm/18kg, and then when your next baby needs to move up from the baby seat, you can decide whether to move your elder child into a Swedish rear facing seat, or a 123 seat. This is a better time to look at 123 seats, IME, they do not fit 9 month olds well, but they do fit 2.5+ year olds well, and you'll know by that time whether you want to continue RF or change to FF, and if you want to FF whether your child is likely to have enough time in a 105cm limit harness (these seats tend to be better rated for safety) or needs the 25kg harness.

The benefits of moving to a spin seat now are obviously the spin function, the recline tends to be handy for a young baby who naps a lot, it gives you flexibility to forward face if you want to (or stay rear facing as long as you want to) and the seat will definitely fit from whenever you want to move into it, rather than having to wait for a minimum size.

Sorry that was a bit of an info dump. Hopefully it was helpful, feel free to ask any further questions!

PoTayToes80 · 21/08/2022 21:49

Omg @BertieBotts so helpful! Will have to digest it all properly tomorrow.

Just a quick question though- I’m not sure what you mean by taking our base out of use with regards the Pearl 360? If it makes a difference, we’re very unlikely to have another baby so that’s not factoring in our thinking.

And he’s more like 85-91st percentile for height and weight :)

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BertieBotts · 21/08/2022 22:26

Aha OK - so yes that's exactly what I meant. Having one base for two seats means if you did want to use the baby seat again, you've got no base for it because you're using it for your toddler's seat. And if you wanted to sell the baby seat, you wouldn't be able to include the base, or you'd have to hold onto the baby seat until the whole lot was finished with. There's not a huge second hand market for car seats, but you can sell a barely used, very up to date and popular infant seat + base combo for much more than you can sell a seat four years later when it's not the latest and greatest any more.

I'm not saying the Pearl 360 is bad, because it's probably fine, I just think it's a lot of money and I would caution against going for it automatically because you have the base. At the very least, compare against the Maxi Cosi Mica, which as someone said is pretty much identical and sells for about £20 less! (You could also compare with Joie, Britax and Cybex spinning seats). But for high centiles, it's worth looking at seats that will last you until he needs a booster, save you buying two of the expensive toddler stage.

lailamaria · 22/08/2022 01:53

i was already sitting without a booster by 10 because i was too tall, but then i stopped growing by 12 i really think an up to 12 one will be a waste of money honestly

BertieBotts · 22/08/2022 07:06

It's based on height - up to 12 just means it goes up to the height at which children no longer need a seat. Just an idea of when that might be.

grey12 · 22/08/2022 07:55

I bought one of the Joie 1/2/3 seats and that's what my kids used. However it weighs a TON!!!

Oldest (6yo) just got the high back booster also from Joie and it is AMAZING!! So I'm buying another one for the middle child. It's so light and practical and comes apart and stores nicely and it's a joy!

So my advice is to buy one to last until about 5/6yo and then switch again 🤷🏻‍♀️

PoTayToes80 · 22/08/2022 09:30

Thank you so much for the advice everyone. Especially @BertieBotts

I’m going to look into the Axkid seats and join one of the Facebook advice groups. My only worry is what the fit will be like in terms of front passenger leg room in our car, which is a Hyundai Ioniq hatchback rather than a large family car. So I’ll see if anyone in the groups has any experience with similar cars and try to find a local stockist to try it (and others) and out.

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PoTayToes80 · 22/08/2022 09:30

Thank you so much for the advice everyone. Especially @BertieBotts

I’m going to look into the Axkid seats and join one of the Facebook advice groups. My only worry is what the fit will be like in terms of front passenger leg room in our car, which is a Hyundai Ioniq hatchback rather than a large family car. So I’ll see if anyone in the groups has any experience with similar cars and try to find a local stockist to try it (and others) and out.

25kg ERF seats tend to be much more compact than the 18kg seats.

We used our Minikids and our Britax Two Way Elite in DH's fiesta.

welshweasel · 22/08/2022 09:46

For a high centile child I would go straight for a 25kg ERF seat. We have axkid minikids but I’d also look at the avionaut sky, as people seem to really like it. That will do you until they’re old enough for a high backed booster and will force you into keeping them rear facing for longer, which is obviously safer. With seats that can go either forwards or backwards it’s very easy to end up switching forward facing sooner than necessary for a variety of reasons.

BertieBotts · 23/08/2022 09:11

The base seats like Pearl360 tend to be bulky front to back. This is an album of ERF seats (including some of the older Pearl models, not sure how the 360 compares honestly) and minikid/max way etc.

www.flickr.com/photos/153076285@N05/sets/72157688410873514/

BertieBotts · 23/08/2022 09:11

Click through to see car and seat details.

Chdjdn · 23/08/2022 09:14

I think you need to think about whether a car seat will actually last until your child is 12; not from the point of view of the stage/size but whether any car seat will last 12 years; my 5 year old has had the same one since she was 18 months and it’s getting very worn/stained etc and I can already see I’ll need to replace it in the next couple of years as we use it every day so I have no expectation it’ll last another 7 years

BertieBotts · 23/08/2022 09:17

This is really true as well - and one reason I don't think they're a great idea. The years 1-4 are very sticky, grubby years. Wear and tear are also important considerations.

grey12 · 23/08/2022 09:50

Chdjdn · 23/08/2022 09:14

I think you need to think about whether a car seat will actually last until your child is 12; not from the point of view of the stage/size but whether any car seat will last 12 years; my 5 year old has had the same one since she was 18 months and it’s getting very worn/stained etc and I can already see I’ll need to replace it in the next couple of years as we use it every day so I have no expectation it’ll last another 7 years

My oldest is 6 and her carseat is now being used by the littlest one and it looks fantastic 🤷🏻‍♀️ and that car seat has even travelled by plane a couple of times

LimboLass · 23/08/2022 10:04

I think you need to think about whether a car seat will actually last until your child is 12; not from the point of view of the stage/size but whether any car seat will last 12 years

Very good point.

4+ year seats are not expensive. We went down the route of baby seat > toddler seat > 4+ seat.

We always sold the previous seat to offset the cost of the next.

Caspianberg · 23/08/2022 10:41

We used maxi cosi mica until recently in a small Vauxhall corsa.
Fitted fine behind passenger seat. Didn’t behind driver if dh was driving as he’s 6ft3.

would say I think many children don’t stay on the same percentiles. Ds was 99+ in Womb and when born. The first year he flew through sizes and grew like a weed. Since around 12 months though he’s slowed down and it now about 75% height and 50 weight.

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