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Apologise to neighbour or leave it?

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UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 20/06/2022 15:41

We know our neighbour a few houses down in passing - waving from the porch, polite hellos sort of thing, and sometimes longer chit chat if we’re arriving home at the same time. He always wandered over to meet our babies when they were born. Nice older chap.

A few weeks ago, his DW passed away after a long illness, albeit under traumatizing circumstances (had her illnesses relatively managed for over a decade, then declined very quickly, had to be stabilized over the course of more than an hour at home by the paramedics before they could even bring her out to the ambulance, on life support in the hospital for a night, and then the family had to make the decision to take her off life support… just terrible circumstances. I know this from another neighbour who is closer to the family).

He has really spiralled since then. Unwashed, unshaven, gaunt. I dropped off a meal for him a couple of weeks ago, for which he was very thankful, but haven’t spoken with him otherwise.

Yesterday was a beautiful, sunny afternoon, so 5-yo DD and her friend set up a lemonade & fresh-baked cookies stand outside for a couple of hours. Loads of people stopped by and were very friendly. It was a lovely afternoon. Towards the end, I saw our neighbour arrive home and head into his house. I was about to start helping the girls clean up, so I said, “hey girls, why don’t you bring a cup of lemonade and a little bag of cookies over to Mr. L. You don’t need to chit chat, just say hello, hand over the food, and come back home.” They we’re excited to complete this little mission.

I kept an eye on them as they walked three houses over, and reached up for the doorbell. They waited for a while, but our neighbour didn’t come out. They said “he isn’t home”, but I said “no, no, he just went in. Are you sure you actually rang the bell?” (Sometimes my DD struggles to push our bell hard enough). DD tried once again, and then so did her friend. ( 🤦‍♀️) Still no answer, so I said “ok, never mind, he must not want visitors right now. Why don’t you leave the bag of biscuits on the doorstep and come home”. At that point, the door flung open, our neighbour leaned down right into their faces, and shouted at them to go away and leave him alone.

This is very out of character for him, but I kind of understand under the circumstances, especially if they rang his bell three times (I HOPE just three times??? They were only there for 2 minutes but I had my eye on the baby for 30 seconds or so…)

The girls thankfully weren’t upset, just said sorry and skipped home and got back to tidying and playing. Our neighbour had slammed the door before I could call over to apologize.

So… do I leave it, or should I write a short apology taped to another meal. I am worried about him, and I feel just terrible for encouraging the girls to disturb his peace (since that seems to be how he perceived it).

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TLDR: 5-yo DD and friend rang an older widower’s doorbell 3ish times over the course of about 2 minutes trying to drop off some cookies for him mid-afternoon when he’d just arrived home. He was very upset by it and shouted at them. I was 3 houses over and would have called out an apology immediately but he’d slammed the door before I could. Should I send an apology note, or leave it be? I feel simply terrible about them having disturbed him (especially as it was my apparently ill-conceived idea).

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SinnermanGirl · 20/06/2022 15:46

You meant well and yet it caused him distress, such a shame.

I would leave a note in his box apologising, say you meant to be kind and that you are extremely sorry that in fa t you bothered him.

I would also say that he is very much in your thoughts and that if he needs anything such as errands run, to please just let you know (with your number)

CottonSock · 20/06/2022 15:47

I wouldn't apologise no.

Poppins2016 · 20/06/2022 15:52

I understand why you feel you should apologise, but I think your neighbour should also apologise, his behaviour was OTT even if there were extenuating circumstances... the girls were trying to do a kind thing and got shouted at! On the other hand, I suppose your neighbour didn't realise they were trying to do something nice rather than ringing the bell for fun.

Were the biscuits left on the doorstep in the end? I'd probably steer clear for a while and then make conversation when you next see him "hope you enjoyed the biscuits and hope the girls didn't annoy you when they dropped them off as they weren't sure if the doorbell was working..."

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SallyWD · 20/06/2022 15:52

I'd leave a little note and explain what happened. I'm sure he'd appreciate it. You sound like a lovely neighbour.

MeridianGrey · 20/06/2022 15:52

I would leave it, by apologising there is an implication he needs to accept your apology. He was upset at being bothered and made that clear so why bother him again?

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 20/06/2022 15:59

MeridianGrey · 20/06/2022 15:52

I would leave it, by apologising there is an implication he needs to accept your apology. He was upset at being bothered and made that clear so why bother him again?

This is exactly what’s going through my mind and making me feel so torn

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UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 20/06/2022 16:02

Poppins2016 · 20/06/2022 15:52

I understand why you feel you should apologise, but I think your neighbour should also apologise, his behaviour was OTT even if there were extenuating circumstances... the girls were trying to do a kind thing and got shouted at! On the other hand, I suppose your neighbour didn't realise they were trying to do something nice rather than ringing the bell for fun.

Were the biscuits left on the doorstep in the end? I'd probably steer clear for a while and then make conversation when you next see him "hope you enjoyed the biscuits and hope the girls didn't annoy you when they dropped them off as they weren't sure if the doorbell was working..."

I don’t think the biscuits were left in the end, no. The girls (quite rightly) backed off pretty quickly.

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saraclara · 20/06/2022 16:05

I'd just leave some biscuits on his doorstep with a note saying 'sorry we bothered you yesterday'.

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2022 16:08

I think a note would be lovely.

He may be feeling embarrassed himself after the outburst and not know how to rectify that (grief does strange things).

I don't agree with his his behaviour but it's I obvious it's come from a place of despair

Innocenta · 20/06/2022 16:11

Yes, a little note so that it's clear you want to continue friendly relations. Even if it's awkward to have apologised, better that than a souring between you and him losing another point of contact with the outside world.

I'm so sorry this happened - it was a kind thought on your part. Glad the girls were not upset.

itbemay · 20/06/2022 16:11

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2022 16:08

I think a note would be lovely.

He may be feeling embarrassed himself after the outburst and not know how to rectify that (grief does strange things).

I don't agree with his his behaviour but it's I obvious it's come from a place of despair

I agree with this, he is very likely mortified and not sure how to deal with it. You sound like a lovely neighbour op

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 20/06/2022 16:18

It was a kind thing to do.

Sharing the circumstances of his wife’s death is not so kind. It isn’t your story to tell.

Give him time and space to grieve for now.

Hapoydayz · 20/06/2022 16:18

Thinking of the timescales he may have just got back from arranging the funeral. He went in his house and didn’t answer the doorbell which could have been rung a lot in 2 minutes. He certainly shouldn’t feel bad for his actions at all. Plus it seems half of mumsnet weirdly never answer their door!

supersonicginandtonic · 20/06/2022 16:28

So his wife has recently died, he's deteriorated and is neglecting himself, and you thought it was ok to tell your child to repeatedly ring the doorbell?
Why on earth would you not tell them to try again later after the first ring? Especially if you knew he was home?
Poor guy sounds like his life has fallen apart and he's not coping.

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 20/06/2022 16:48

supersonicginandtonic · 20/06/2022 16:28

So his wife has recently died, he's deteriorated and is neglecting himself, and you thought it was ok to tell your child to repeatedly ring the doorbell?
Why on earth would you not tell them to try again later after the first ring? Especially if you knew he was home?
Poor guy sounds like his life has fallen apart and he's not coping.

To be fair, I wasn’t sure if they’d rung it the first time, and I didn’t expect DD’s friend to also ring it immediately after she did. The fact that the doorbell was (I assume) rung three times is exactly what I feel guilty about, but it’s a stretch to say I TOLD them to ring the bell repeatedly.

Anyway, lots of good food for thought on this thread. Thank you, MN’ers!

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UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 20/06/2022 16:50

Hapoydayz · 20/06/2022 16:18

Thinking of the timescales he may have just got back from arranging the funeral. He went in his house and didn’t answer the doorbell which could have been rung a lot in 2 minutes. He certainly shouldn’t feel bad for his actions at all. Plus it seems half of mumsnet weirdly never answer their door!

No, the funeral was a few weeks ago. Definitely not that.

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ladydimitrescu · 20/06/2022 17:41

supersonicginandtonic · 20/06/2022 16:28

So his wife has recently died, he's deteriorated and is neglecting himself, and you thought it was ok to tell your child to repeatedly ring the doorbell?
Why on earth would you not tell them to try again later after the first ring? Especially if you knew he was home?
Poor guy sounds like his life has fallen apart and he's not coping.

Oh ffs, they were trying to be nice, not harass him.

Op, you don't owe an apology. I would let it settle for a few days, and then leave something on the step with a note. X

Georgeskitchen · 20/06/2022 17:50

I wouldn't apologise. No need to shout in the faces of small children in any circumstances

supersonicginandtonic · 22/06/2022 20:48

@ladydimitrescu you're an expert in bereavement then I suppose? The kids shouldn't have been sent round in the first place. Only adults as you have no idea how he's gonna react if it looks like he's not coping.

T0rt0ise · 23/06/2022 16:16

I'd pop a note through the door apologizing, with a quick explanation, and then an offer of a home cooked meal (more to try and help out, open a dialogue and offer some company than anything to do with the girls ringing the bell)

stuntbubbles · 23/06/2022 16:35

I’d do a note apologising and saying it won’t happen again, not sure how to phrase it but something that makes clear you’re not expecting a reply to the note, ie not putting a burden on him. Accompanied by the biscuits he never got. And continue to doorstep-drop meals every now and then.

WhatTheWhoTheWhatThe · 23/06/2022 16:40

I would just leave it alone for now. The girls didn’t do anything terrible and the man is grieving. He asked to be left alone so I would extend that to dropping round notes and biscuits at this point.

just say hello the next time you see him to indicate no hard feelings your side.

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 23/06/2022 19:01

WhatTheWhoTheWhatThe · 23/06/2022 16:40

I would just leave it alone for now. The girls didn’t do anything terrible and the man is grieving. He asked to be left alone so I would extend that to dropping round notes and biscuits at this point.

just say hello the next time you see him to indicate no hard feelings your side.

I think this is where I’m landing. Thanks.

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UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 27/06/2022 00:44

Happy update!

My DB and DSIL came over for dinner tonight, and as they were leaving I saw my neighbour sitting on his porch looking in good spirits. I had exactly one serving of food left over from dinner, so I potted it up and dashed over to his house through the rain. The conversation was short but perfect:

Me: Hi! I had exactly one portion of dinner left tonight so I thought I’d run it over
Him: thank you very much! Do you need the container back?
Me: no, that’s ok. I’m so sorry that the girls rang your doorbell last weekend
Him: Don’t worry about it
Me: ok, thanks, have a good night
Him: thanks, good night!

All effortless and comfortable.

I think I can rest easy again. I’ve been actively avoiding walking or running by his house when I’m out and about so I’m glad there doesn’t seem to be any need for awkwardness anymore!

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Coldhouseflowers · 17/12/2022 09:08

People often act out of character in grief, I think I l wouldn’t make anymore of the situation and leave him alone . He will probably be upset about it .