Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Parenting

For free parenting resources please check out the Early Years Alliance's Family Corner.

Toilet training children with damaged bowels

15 replies

yawningmonster · 14/01/2008 08:48

Have started this thread afresh as it was not getting anywhere with only one reply which while really appreciated was more about a child happy to stay in nappies which mine is not...so

Please tell me your positive stories and how you helped your child. DS was born with a hole in his bowel and later had his bowel trapped and damaged by scar tissue and then an operation on his bowel. All in all it is much like hirshsprungs in that a part of his bowel does not recieve sensations and it is making toilet training a bit of a job. He is keen to try and getting really good with wees. He wants to pooh on the toilet but really doesn't seem to get any warning they are coming and then gets all upset and doesn't want anyone to know and deny's there is anything there etc. Any help would be appreciated.

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
yawningmonster · 14/01/2008 09:08

please someone must have been through something similar

OP posts:
yawningmonster · 14/01/2008 09:27

please last try for today

OP posts:
earthmummy · 14/01/2008 20:25

Hi, I am sorry that you have not found anyone who can share experiences just now.

I don't know anything here to help you because I have no experience of this. I feel for you because it must be helpful if you could talk with someone who has some experience in this area. I hope that someone does see your post who can relate to your situation.

I found this but I don't know how helpful or interesting it is. You would think that there would be a support network for families with children who have similar conditions, an on-line network at least.

I feel for you when you say that your little boy gets upset. He sounds so dedicated to mastering the toilet. I am sorry that your GP has not been supportive, as you put in your previouse post.

You must be so proud of the little guy, good luckxxx.

Potty Training a Child with Impaired Gastric Motility
Cyd Skinner, Parent

----------------

Po tty training a child with a fully functional intestinal tract is supposed to be the first big challenge for most parents. For us parents of children with impaired gastric motility, it is far from the first struggle and way beyond what another parent would call a challenge. My daughter Chloe was born in 1988 with Hirschsprung's disease. As a result of her subsequent surgeries, she is left with one half of her large intestine and difficulty managing bowel movements.

Until Chloe was 3-1/2 she had 10 to 20 squirts of snake like, soft stool each day; always foul smelling and never fully formed. Our pediatrician, surgeon and then a pediatric gastroenterologist in Philadelphia told us first that it was a virus, then a food allergy and then the final answer -- that it was all psychological and we must have been too stringent in our potty training. I have talked to a frightening number of other parents who have had similar experiences.

While I knew the doctors were wrong, I did not know where to turn next. I had designed behavior modification programs professionally, and as I am not a physician or a surgeon, I tried to attack the problem using my own background and knowledge. It was a classic case of the drunk looking for his keys under the street light, but it worked. Chloe was essentially potty trained within a week.

Chloe's program has been used by two other Hirschsprung's children with similar success. One child, however, after becoming potty trained had problems which necessitated an ileostomy. While his doctors do not think the toilet training program had anything to do with it, I would caution other parents to be very careful. Because of all the unique potential problems our children face, please have your doctor approve this program before trying it with your own child. I can only say what has worked for my child, as one mother to another, not as a professional. This program may not work for every child, but I cannot imagine what we would have done without it. The program is as follows:

  1. Pick a good two-week period when you are virtually always near a toilet. The first few days/week you will probably have to stay home altogether.
  1. Buy 10 to 20 pairs of underpants, and plan to wash them daily. It is also important to dress your child in clothes they can easily pull down themselves.
  1. The morning you are ready to start, tell your child pleasantly, but not with tremendous excitement, that the time has come to get out of diapers. Let them know this is a good thing. Your child will need to buy into the program; attitude is everything. It is important not to get too emotional about the whole program. You're bound to have conflicts with other events during the day and keeping the potty a separate, neutral issue will help.
  1. Determine the amount of time your child can stay clean, and then have her sit on the potty at intervals just a bit shorter than that time. Chloe could regularly stay clean for about a 30-minute period, so every 25 minutes I had her sit on the potty.
  1. By sitting on the potty for up to 15 minutes at a time, every 25 minutes, we were bound to catch a squirt sooner or later. Eventually I just knocked some stool that was stuck to her anus into the toilet bowl and called that her first success. You have to start somewhere and you need to breed success. This program is all reward based. If she wasn't able do anything, that was okay and she could try again later (25 minutes).

If your child experiences pain and/or irritation on their bottom, you can try using toilet paper with lotion in it (such as Charmin Plus) or Tucks medicated pads to wipe off what the toilet tissue misses. Also, some children may get cold and shiver while on the toilet this long, so keeping towels warm in the clothes dryer for the first few days can be helpful.

  1. Chloe's reward was a chocolate covered peanut. You need to choose something the child really likes, is able to experience immediately and then it's gone so she wants to earn another. We kept no other sweets in the house at the time, and chocolate covered peanuts were a novelty to her. I also heaped on the praise for a few minutes, saying things like "Hooray! You did it!"
  1. More important than any success that first day was getting her to buy into the game. Of course this is much easier with a 3-year-old than it would be with an 8-year-old. Somewhere in that first day Chloe genuinely started to push, and began producing more squirts at one time. For more squirts I gave more peanuts, with a limit of two or three for a lot of squirts. This helped her try to do more at one sitting.
  1. I didn't want her to have to go potty every 25 minutes. So after two to three days, as she was putting out more stool when she did go, I very gradually started pushing back the next time she was to sit on the potty to 30, 35, then 40 minutes, etc.
  1. By the end of that first week Chloe was essentially potty trained, but with several accidents per day. What came next, while continuing with the peanuts, were potty prizes; small wrapped toys from the dollar store. At the end of each day, if she had kept her underpants clean, Chloe was allowed to choose one prize from a hidden basket.
  1. As the potty prizes became more important, I cut back on the peanuts by just forgetting them if Chloe didn't mention them.

  2. After maybe one or two months of nightly potty prizes, I ran out. I told Chloe that because she had been doing so well for so long, she could go to the toy store the next day and pick out whatever she wanted. This basically ended the initial potty training.

If your child has problems again down the road, as she may very well, you will probably have to return to the reward system for a week, two weeks or longer. The more severe the problem, the more slowly it will take them to get back on track and the more frequently a prize will be needed. As the child gets back on track, you'll need to wean them from rewards until eventually they are fully retrained.

What I've described is an all reward based program. Heap on the praise when there is a success and quickly bypass the accidents. When your child does have an accident, the idea is not to react at all, or to be mildly supportive. You can say something like, "That's okay, everyone has accidents sometimes." Being too supportive after an accident runs the risk of your child wanting the comfort and support more than the potty prize.

The rewards you choose must be based on your own child and it does get trickier as they get older. While I could never have imagined this three years ago, Chloe now has a problem with constipation! She can go weeks without a bowel movement. Now we put a check on the calendar for each day she has a reasonable bowel movement. These add up and when she has 14 checks she may go to the toy store for a small toy. It must seem as though we have spent a fortune on toys, but the truth is we spent much more at doctors' offices with much poorer results.

Chloe is now a beautiful, happy 7-year-old who loves soccer and swimming and is in the gifted program at school. She also has a brand new baby cousin with Hirschsprung's disease. She's going to make a great cousin.

Copyright © 1995 The Oley Foundation

----------------

The Oley Foundation, 214 Hun Memorial, MC-28, Albany Medical Center, Albany, NY 12208-3478
1-800-776-OLEY (Toll Free In USA & Canada) 1-518-262-5079, Fax: 1-518-262-5528
Copyright, 2006, All rights Reserved/Privacy Policy

We comply with the HONcode standard for trustworthy health
information:
verify here.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

yurt1 · 14/01/2008 20:33

I have 2 friends with children with damaged bowels. I can't really give you any advice as I know they have struggled with it. How old is your son? I would say get as much help from the medical profession as possible to ensure that your son's poo is as 'healthy' (for want of a better word) as possible (that seems to have been the biggest help for both of them) and also if you have problems later on with school and bowels then do post on SN and you will be given lots of tips on how to deal with that.

Good luck. earthmummy's info looks fantastic.

yawningmonster · 15/01/2008 06:33

thank you both especially earthmummy there were some great aspects to that article. My ds has the opposite problem, he tends to go 2-3 days without any poohs at all and then has between 1 massive one or 4 or 5 in one day. There does not seem to be any pattern at really. He hates,hates,hates being taken to the toilet without initiating it himself and as I say seems to have no real warning it is coming. He does have fairly normal looking and smelling poohs now days after many battles with constipation and very loose bowels. The paediatritions think that only a small part of the bowel is damaged but that it may be possible in time for us/him to train his body to respond to cues from different parts of his bowel if that makes sense and therefore recommend to just leave him for now. He is keen however. Having said that he is struggling to get the cues for weeing at the moment so maybe it is premature to worry about the pooh side of things but I do at least know he has some control and idea of wees cues.

OP posts:
Shhhh · 21/01/2008 15:24

just seen this..Can't offer you advice BUT watching this thread with interest.

DS (Nearly 1) was born with Hirschsprungs disease which was corrected although a temporary stoma was fitted, interested in what we will be facing in 1 or so years time.

xx

yawningmonster · 22/01/2008 06:20

Hi sshhh, I haven't found too many people with the same or similar problems but can tell you that the paeditritions here have said that other children with Hirshsprungs (which is not exactly what my ds has) have been successfully trained to recognise signs higher up in the bowel or to medicate to regulate a bowel motion so that they go at that particular time of day.

OP posts:
Shhhh · 22/01/2008 21:16

sounds promising..ATM ds goes between 6-12 times a days and tbh it does seem to get into a regular pattern..tends to slow down at dinner time and stops once in bed...starts again first thing in the morning..

Just hope that he is lucky and is able to maintain some sort of control. He has short stem hs so hopefully so. x

yawningmonster · 23/01/2008 08:36

sounds very positive to me, for my ds it is unknown how much of his bowel is damaged but he did not need a stoma. (He may require future surgery however but we are fairly confident that he will be ok without it) He did have great difficulty with bouts of constipation and diarrhoea though which with medication and maturation are now under control. He now at 3 goes about 2-3 days with nothing and then the day it does come is very unpredictable with sometimes one movement and sometimes several. It makes it difficult on the day in question but we will just take it a day at a time. One tip I did get that you may want for later is to get him to blow bubbles while on the toilet as it can stimulate the muscles and areas of bowel involved in voiding. At the moment it hasn't resulted in any success but I hope it is at least providing him with something fun to associate with the whole deal and is maybe building awareness of the parts of his body he needs to concentrate on.

OP posts:
bozza · 23/01/2008 09:21

Yawningmonster I just wanted to wish you well with your son's toilet training. I can see how hard it is with the unpredicatability, but would add that lots and lots of children with normal, healthy bowels find it much more difficult to master the pooing than the weeing.

Shhhh · 23/01/2008 14:14

ym,sorry about your ds..can I ask what is wrong with him..? I so hope he doesn't need surgery.

BTW ds hs was corrected no problem but days later got entrocolitus (sp) which needed corecting and the only way was with a stome. . Saved his life if im honest..

Thanks for the bubbles tips..will remember that. Keep gong with the potty, i have been training dd for the last 4 months..up and down days. .

xx

yawningmonster · 24/01/2008 08:11

Hi shhh. DS was born with a ruptured bowel. He was nil by mouth for 10 days during which they aspirated his stomach to help remove the waste and let the hole repair itself which it did. He went on to develop a bad infection from his bowel contents entering his blood supply and then to boot the scar tissue that formed from the rupture attached to the wall of his gut and trapped and twisted his bowel. This is what he had surgery on at 3 weeks old. He is prone to intersuseption which is twisting of the bowel and if it gets badly twisted he will require more surgery. He may want cosmetic surfery when he grows as his long line scar will start to pucker but I will leave that up to him. We have had very little problems with intersuseption, he occasionally gets bloating and pain indicating it is bothering him but corrects with a stomach massage.

OP posts:
Shhhh · 24/01/2008 22:01

aww poor baby ym... God its so awful thngs like this happening to such little ones... Still breaks my heart when I remember what ds went through....

xx

natatz · 25/05/2009 19:46

Have just been searching the net for advice on potty training my toddler. He has hirschsprung disease (short segment) and was 2 in January. He had his op when he was 7 days old and has been doing really well since. We have 2 other children who were potty trained within a couple of weeks of the their second birthday. However because of our little one's condition I'm feeling a little apprehensive about the pooing side of things. He does 3 poo's a day but each poo usually takes a few attempts. While in his nappy I would always leave him in a pooey nappy for 20 mins to make sure he was finished. Therefore I am looking at him doing about 12 poos a day. Yikes....how am I going to manage this with the school run, gymnastics, football, athletics club etc etc.?!?!?! Have selected this half term to make a start so I would love to hear from anyone who can give me any advice. We are three days in, I'm knackerd stressed by the fact that I have to make the whole thing 'stress free'. So far he is doing quite well, he is getting the wee thing but the morning poos are usually in his pants but in the evening we are catching a couple in the potty.

BriocheDoree · 26/05/2009 19:32

There were some threads relating to this in the Special Needs topic. You could try posting / searching in there.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread