Social Services

[BigYellowElephant]

Just looking for advice if anyone has any experience of this.

Can children be taken into care purely due to hearsay? So if one person makes multiple malicious reports. Children in question were taken into care for a few months, mum had to go to court several times before they were returned. Dad now lives elsewhere.

She is adamant that they had absolutely no evidence whatsoever and that there were no issues at home. This seems vanishingly unlikely to me but I thought I would get some other opinions from people who might know more.

Not with zero evidence, no
a judge would have been very convinced that the children had come to harm before agreeing separation. Judges in my experience are scrupulous, also she would have had a lawyer and a barrister in court and if there was really no evidence they would have wiped the floor with the local authority.

Is this the man you posted about before and not wanting your kids round him?

No.
Social services would gather evidence from multiple sources including speaking to the children if old enough.

You could do a Claire’s law/Sarah’s law people informed you of that on your last post

@PumpkinsandKittens yes. DSS has now decided to let me in on the big secret and its apparently that he did nothing wrong in the first place. I dont get why she would have been refusing to talk about it for all this time? I'd be telling everyone! But I don't want to outright call her a liar, were not really close but shes still family

Very unlikely. The situation has to be very serious with children at risk of abuse or neglect often with either or neither parent willing to prioritise the needs of the children ahead of their own. Ss will also usually try to work with the family before actioning care proceedings, unless they are at immediate risk of harm. I suspect you only have part of the story.

I think claires law might be my next step but I'd have to use her address and I'm worried about her finding out and it just being more drama

For children to be removed by a court the test for removal has to be met - that they are risk of suffering or have suffered significant harm and their safety demands immediate separation. Children aren't removed on rumours the court will want to see evidence.

Yes

Family splits up social services make it clear due to dad's abuse they are not to get back together but he is still allowed access mum struggled with having them around and was deemed "hostile" when social worker showed up late and disrupted bedtime her report stated mum "sighed" allowed me in house had dishes stacked ready for washing children in pj's "as if" they were going to bed mum tried to hurry up the visit so children could go "to bed" I explained this was a statutory visit and asked to speak to the children alone mum "allowed" this I spoke to the children the following day in school and the children seemed off and tired the staff remarked this was unusual I believe the mothers chaotic home life is contributing to the children's excessive tiredness

^^ everything there was factual but do they not see the reason why the children were tired? Late night visits children get hyped up? No?

Further report

It's been reported to me anonymously that dad is in fact in the family home a child at (teens) school has confirmed that teen was crying because he was back both teen, mum and younger child deny this is the case dads car has allegedly been seen close to the family home and I observed a silver car parked around the corner to the property mum "hostile" to questions claims dads car is blue we feel they are still in a relationship and the children are at risk and reccomend PLO

literally all it took was a few anonymous calls and she nearly lost her kids

The car was fucking blue he wasn't living with them the school said the teen was NEVER in tears at the school and friends backed them up it was a farce meanwhile around the corner a child nearly lost there life due to real neglect and abuse they didn't even try to remove those children but because mum sighed and was "hostile" over a car colour she got slammed

She didn't lose her children fortunately she made a big case at the meeting the solicitor said he wasn't needed they dropped it down and within three months were gone

The system is flawed massively

It is v v v rare for dc to be immediately removed.
There has to be evidence like broken skin plus a story
(So, I knew 2 sibs who were removed the day of the report. They both had burn marks on their arms in similar locations and both - independently - said it was because they'd been "naughty")

That's what I thought. I can't see how they could do everything they did without any evidence at all.

Social workers can be rubbish and act on the wrong things, but there ARE steps that have to be gone through before removing a child, even if it's not immediate - OK'd by manager, OK'd by Children's Services lawyer, advised by Cafcass, OK'd by judge after re examination of all evidence.

No chance at all.

Children do not get removed without a lot of evidence.

Often not removed soon enough.

Parents who have their children removed almost never admit there was bloody good reason.