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"rules" vs "unconditional love"

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loobylolly · 10/01/2008 22:41

FooFoo, thank you so much for your response on the other thread. I find this fascinating.

As mentioned, I am struggling at the moment with my DS 9. He is ultra-alph-male - v. sporty, v. driven at school, can't stand failure of any kind, practises things for hours and hours with a concentration that would be well beyond me, thinks of himself as a leader (no idea where that comes from), has to "succeed" at everything - in short, puts himself under lots of unnecessary pressure.

I would much prefer that he should step back a bit, take things a bit easier and enjoy life more. I hope he knows that we love him unconditionally - I tell him often enough that we love him for who he is not what he does, but it makes no difference - I honestly think this is about him and not his upbringing (though his counsellor in 20 yrs time will no doubt think differently).

My starting point as a parent is to want my DCs to feel happy to grow up and away from us their parents, to feel free to try new things and develop their personalities and characters and to push the boundaries a bit. We actively encourage negotiation and often reward it with a concession just on principle, and we often compromise on punishments following a good argument. I'm so absolutely not trying to make us sound perfect, which we are very far from being - some days I am hoarse from screeching and go to bed hating myself for the horrid mother that I am - but we really do honestly try our imperfect best.

Our problem is that DS takes everything too far. He thinks he's invincible and (sometimes) he holds me and everyone else in contempt. For one example, one day a while ago, he gave his 5yo sister a massive kick under the kitchen table, lied about it in an aggrieved tone of voice as if he honestly hadn't done it when I told him I'd seen him and that was not acceptable, continued to deny it upon calm challenge by me, started shouting and swearing at me on his way up the stairs when I sent him to his room until he was ready to apologise, shouted down from the top of the stairs that I was an aehole and he hated me, shrugged and rolled his eyes at me when I calmly went to remonstrate with him that this behaviour was not what was expected of a 9 yo, then continued to lie and showed such contempt to me that lost me all my careful control up to that point... He ended up forcefully ejected outside for his own safety. That's one example of lots of times when he keeps pushing and pushing, knowing perfectly well that it's not going to be great for him as a consequence, but he doesn't seem able not to push it and I haven't found any effective way to react other than to create a list of rules of "non-negotiable irreducible minimum standards of behaviour", which are posted on our fridge and in the children's bedrooms, breach of which is punishable by restriction of privileges.

How would you apply Kohn's unconditional parenting in such circumstances? I'm genuinely interested - as sometimes I've wondered whether I just haven't applied enough rules in DS's early life and whether I've given him too much freedom to develop in his own way - but I haven't read the book so I've probably been doing it wrong!

Actually I suspect that the fundamental answer is that different parenting styles are suitable for different personalities of children, and that we each struggle and experiment till we find what works for the child in question - I'm still in the struggling experimental stage so all advice welcome...

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FooFooTheSnoo · 10/01/2008 23:58

Hi Looby. I am not an expert on this, not at all. I can share my experiences with you though. The first thing to say is you need to read the book!

There's no quick fixes and it's very much about your individual child and your relationship with him. So looking at your scenario - I find it hard to come up with solutions that I could say were based on Kohn's approach. But I recognise some elements of what you are describing - the shouting, lack of respect for others, the escalation, losing tempers. And this has improved so much in our house.
So can share my experiences.

In our case I think the behaviour I modelled was not always great. I found it hard sometimes to stay calm and although I have always prided myself on not being a shouter the volume had gone up. I also had got myself into the mindset of 'winning', of wringing out that apology however sullenly it was said. I sent my ds to his room and ihe would come out more furious than he went in. I had to reassess my approach. I didn't always listen to him. So that was a big thing - talking more, being more explicit about modelling the behaviour I wanted to see.

The book helped me to be more reflective about my parenting. To look at situations through my ds's eyes. To think about ways in which I could give ds more control over his life, to be less rigid and more responsive to his needs and the things that mattered to him.

Parenting is a long game. I think I needed help to let my relationship with ds evolve into something that recognises his need to be more independent, and his own emerging character.

Sorry if thisis completely unhelpful. I have been trying to think of scenarios. We had one tonight at bedtime where ds and dd (who are similar ages to yours) were winding each other up. I said something factual like "it''s so much more helpful when you two aren't sniping at each other like this. When we all try and get along we have a much nicer time". And voila - magically dd hugs ds, that was what he wanted (positive attention from his sister who he adores and if he can't have that he'll settle for negative attention by baiting her), he offers to read her a story, calm is restored and they both go to bed happy.

Whereas before i would have started getting irritated saying things like 'why are you winding her up?' "Go to your room if you can't be nice' or even worse sometimes 'I have been at work all day and don't want to come to this' . None of which worked, the situation escalated and inevitably I would wheel out the sanctions.

What a long post. Hope there's something helpful in there. Read the book! It's v late and I must go to bed. There are loads of people on here who have been doing this longer than me - hopefully one of them will be along.

PrettyCandles · 11/01/2008 00:09

"To look at situations through my ds's eyes. To think about ways in which I could give ds more control over his life, to be less rigid and more responsive to his needs and the things that mattered to him." I think that's the heart of the solution.

Also not starting an argument you cannot win. And you've not won if the child has to be squashed for you to achieve your objective, or if they are sullen and sulking at the end.

(What's winning, anyway? I'm not being holier-than-thou, I often find myself in similar situation, and am constantly worrying about how I can change my parenting to help my family be a happier place.)

But it's soooo difficult to keep your cool, sometimes, and not leap in wtih both feet trying to make ssomething happen, to achieve a certain outcome that at that instant you think is so important.

Tough job, parenting.

FooFooTheSnoo · 11/01/2008 00:15

And also - I still have some rules. But to any I do have I have applied the 'is this really important. Does it matter if this does/ does not happen' test.

And I am now going to bed! If www sees me still up the full wrath of the bootcamp will descend upon me.

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loobylolly · 15/01/2008 20:32

Thanks Foofoo and PrettyCandles. Lots to think about there - I will most certainly get the book. Lots of what you say rings little bells and merits further thought!

(Sorry for late reply, been having computer trouble.)

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LittleBella · 15/01/2008 21:18

"To think about ways in which I could give ds more control over his life"

My problem with this is that I think I tried giving DS far more control over his life than he actually wanted. He is now 8 and a very timid, fearful child. I spoke to a mental health charity about his anxiety and negativity and she told me that I was overwhelming him with too many choices and making him anxious because he couldn't cope with the responsibility of choice.

I haven't yet read the book, must get round to it some time because I'd like to see how I can help him build up his confidence again while at the same time not burdening him with control he doesn't want.

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