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Husband thinks he does the same amount of 'work' as me. It's driving me INSANE!

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Reginaldina · 03/04/2022 22:42

Been married 8 years. Got a 6 year old and 3 year old girls. My husband and I both work from home, him 4 days a week and me - I have 1 full day a week and 3 x 5.5 hour days available for work as an illustrator. One day a week I have my youngest at home. Since the children were born I have done all of day care and all of the night feeds (I used to sleep in the spare room with the monitor so as not to disturb him), all of maternity leave care. I now do the school run 4 days a week (he does this on his one day a week that he is 'off'), all of washing, drying, cooking, and childcare from 3 pm 4 days of the week. He sees the 4 days of the week as my days (when he does little or no childcare/no schools runs or cooking, he often works late in his office too so the children only see him at bedtime), when I get the kids up, dressed and ready, do most of the tidying, get bedrooms sorted, uniforms sorted and ready, change the bedding, do all of the homeschooling during closures, do addition homeschooling for eldest who has sight problems so needs quite lot of additional support at home, all doctors, eye hospital and school appointments, do childcare and organise days out etc., during all of the school holidays, (when I cannot usually work because, at best and under pressure, he might only book a few days off, because he just doesn't see it as his duty) I research and book most holidays. You know, all of that other sh*t that we just DO, and have to think about and plan, like buying clothes, making sure coats are washed, practice for the spelling test is done, swimming and PE kits, after school clubs, constant worrying about it all. He thinks, because he goes to his desk and works intensely at his high pressured job for 4 days a week, takes the bins out and cooks/does childcare and school runs on his one day 'off' from work a week that we do the same amount of work. At weekends, he cooks, not because we have agreed this but becuase I just make sure I'm nowhere near the kitchen at meal times so he has to do it. We do lots of active stuff with the girls as a family at weekends, so I very little time off. We have this circular argument, every few years when my resentment reaches saturation point, whereby I lose my temper and we have a shouting match about how I think he's not helping enough with the children, he gets really angry, he strongly believes we do the same amount of work of equal value, he also thinks that I've got plenty of time to gets loads of paid work done, between getting back from the school run 4 days a week at 9.15am and when I have to leave at 2.45pm to go collect the children again, and implies that, because he can just switch off and go to his desk, and block all other things out, that I should too and that I've got a time management problem. I disagree, we never resolve it, sulking takes place usually for a number of days, when he acts wounded because I've dared to suggest he's not pulling his weight and I am tired, so tired of the treadmill of it all. I have tried to accept this is what it's like, that he will never budge from his position that he thinks he does enough and I don't accept that he does, and well, I cannot seem to keep my mouth shut lol and accept it. Gosh that was a rant. I love my kids, they are my life. Divorce not an option, I want stability for them. My friend says go away on my own for a week, so he gets a shock and sees what it's like and how much work's involved. I did that once for a few days and he didn't even open any of the curtains for the whole time I was away! An elderly neighbour knocked because she thought there'd been a bereavement! Any advice on how to resolve? Anyone else in a similar situation that they've managed to resolve successfully without violence or divorce lol?

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YRGAM · 04/04/2022 07:31

Work, chores, or childcare that is!

stairgates · 04/04/2022 07:39

Sorry but you are his servant and he has 2 more in training if you resigned, put it that way and hopefully it will sting him a bit, nobody wants their children trained to be another persons unpaid servant.

BluebellsGreenbells · 04/04/2022 07:49

I used to take a day off in the week where I would only feed and cloth the children - then we’d either play in the house or go out and have some fun.

DH would return home to find the complete shambles that was left - no dinner on the table washing left no washing up done

I think it’s quite the eye opener!

You need to divide the tasks - DH thought washing was machine/dryer ohhhhh no no no

There’s uniforms for x days, there’s socks that need sorting otherwise it’s a complete dash to find some, somethings you can’t put in the machine etc etc - it’s a huge learning curve! And a much bigger job than it appears. Try that one. And moan bitterly when you have no knickers!

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Loopytiles · 04/04/2022 07:53

As for weekends, don’t join all the ‘family’ active stuff: DH is a competent parent and can take the DC alone while you have some leisure time.

JoyLurking9to5 · 04/04/2022 07:57

Go away for ten days. A week not long enough. And if the house is a tip when you get back leave for qnother night

JoyLurking9to5 · 04/04/2022 08:00

@TerraNovaTwo

So glad I made the decision to be divorced and single. It's threads like this that reaffirm that life choice.
I know, posters who say divorce is not an option, its that lack of empowerment that has them in this situation
TigerLilyTail · 04/04/2022 08:09

I agree that you need to sit down and agree what tasks you will be in charge of and what tasks he will be in charge of.

If he's in charge of laundry, he does the whole thing from start to finish, from picking up socks in the living room, checking the weather forecast, hanging it up, folding it and putting it away. Not just the putting it in the washing machine, adding detergent and pressing start bit.

If he's in charge of cooking, he needs to meal plan, make shopping lists, manage what food you already have in, and clean up afterwards.

He needs to take on some of the mental load of jobs! There are loads of articles online about this, but I suspect as others that he just doesn't want to do it and is gaslighting you. In this case, I doubt he will change or step up. Unfortunately, some men see housework as beneath them.

WonderingWanda · 04/04/2022 08:10

My oh didn't get it till I broke my leg and ciuld do very little for 6 weeks.

Luredbyapomegranate · 04/04/2022 08:35

He doesn’t want it to change as a pp said. He knows fine well you are doing more, he just views you and your time as less important.

What strikes me though is you say you think you should just accept it. Why should you? You also appear to be doing quite a lot of pandering to him
Eg moving out of bedroom.

Going away for a week isn’t a bad idea, but overall I’d focus on moving work over to him.

You have to be systematic and consistent about this. Getting into rages hasn’t worked. just make a list of everything that needs to be done and both your work calendars and over a year start shifting things over to him. Start with the stuff with least resistance eg cooking and shopping, and things that are very specific eg make the kids lunch boxes. Tell him, I’d like you to take over the weekly shop and the cooking - this is a standard shopping list, this is an example of 2 weeks midday meals. Once he’s been doing it for a month give him the next thing.

You may never reached total equality, but it can certainly be a lot better than it is. And any pandering to him you do - hard stop now. No booking appointments, running errands or ironing.

Skyla01 · 04/04/2022 11:08

It's very difficult OP as you have done everything for so long. Definitely time to change- there's no way my OH would be getting away with that.

Go on holiday for a week and leave him a list of everything that he needs to do. Otherwise he will probably still do f**k all. You could also threaten to leave if he doesn't do his fair share. But tbh he's had a free ride for so long no wonder he doesn't want things to change. Agree with comments about setting an example for your daughter's - you don't want them to end up as domestic slaves either

Reginaldina · 04/04/2022 12:12

@PermanentTemporary

It is true that a lot of the things we do for our children are a choice, they could survive in clothes that don't fit, rubbish food, no presents bought for friends' parties, no calls supported between them and grandparents, no effort put into the local network or school. It's just that most of us see those choices as important, as the difference between just about adequate parenting and good parenting and we care about doing a decent job at them.

He makes choices too, like working late. I'm a terror for this myself and it is undoubtedly a choice in many cases.

I don't think him having had a crappy childhood is irrelevant, but a lot of parents on here who were neglected as children have a white hot determination to give their children what they never had. Why doesn't he?

I'd work out what would make a difference to you and demand that. It sounds like simply respecting your work as a parent would go a long way, but what would that look like? Him committing to finish on time 4 days a week and pitch into parenting with you? Something like that?

This is great advice thank you, I agree I do not feel that the amount of work I do is respected or even acknowledged, and I think would be a good start. I will have a think about what would make a difference to me what feeling respect looks like for me. He does parent the children a lot differently to to how he experienced childhood. When he is there, he is caring, does lots of stuff with them, loves them and shows it. I think he just feels like a secure home life and his earning and bringing home the bacon as it were, ticks a lot of the boxes.
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Scottishnewmum · 04/04/2022 14:01

Gosh, no advice but some empathy from me. My husband works unpaid on an app he's designing while I work full time and bring in all the money plus I study for a degree. Before I decided to do the degree, he agreed to take on most of the housework and childcare, but it hasn't happened. Now I work full time, study, do the childcare and try to do the house. in reality, our house is filthy now but it's the only thing that can give. But he is adamant that he does the same amount of work as me so it's an "our" problem not a "his" problem that the house is a state. It makes me livid beyond belief, especially as he makes his own hours!

Reginaldina · 04/04/2022 20:40

@Scottishnewmum

Gosh, no advice but some empathy from me. My husband works unpaid on an app he's designing while I work full time and bring in all the money plus I study for a degree. Before I decided to do the degree, he agreed to take on most of the housework and childcare, but it hasn't happened. Now I work full time, study, do the childcare and try to do the house. in reality, our house is filthy now but it's the only thing that can give. But he is adamant that he does the same amount of work as me so it's an "our" problem not a "his" problem that the house is a state. It makes me livid beyond belief, especially as he makes his own hours!
That's must be infuriating for you. You must be frazzled and feel like you're running on empty most if not all of the time. I think like one of the replies above said, mine (and yours) just either don't see the work that needs doing, don't respect how much you are doing, or respect us generally, and or don't see the value in it as it's 'unpaid' work. No wonder you are livid, me too at times, hence my outbursts. Solidarity to you, I hope you find a way through.
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mathanxiety · 04/04/2022 23:02

Don't just write a list.

Write how much it would cost to outsource all of what you do. Don't skimp or overlook anything. For holiday booking and all the other admin, figure out average PA salary.

It will take some work on your part but he needs to know how much your time and labour is worth to the family every month and multiply that by 12.

He is assessing his value according to ££££ and completely devaluing your contribution because it hasn't ever been set down in monetary terms.

DelphiniumBlue · 04/04/2022 23:25

With the benefit of hindsight, I would get myself an evening job, involving you leaving the house by 5:30 every evening, leaving him to deal with everything.
The problem is not only that he is dumping on you, but that your career and earning capacity are affected - you would find it hard to leave should you wish to in the future as you appear to be financially dependent.
Meanwhile, you explained, asked, probably cried and argued and it made no difference. The difference will be in what you do.
Other posters have said that essentially you need to stop servicing him, and also you need to start taking what you need - so even if you don't get an evening job, start going to a class or something regularly. Don't prepare, just pick up your stuff and go. He needs to deal with DC by himself, and understand that your time is as valuable as his.
You may have to ignore some things not being done your way, but it really doesn't matter if he leaves the curtains shut. He does need to feed the DC, and get them to bed. And if he has an issue making sure everything is ready for the next day, like you would do it, go out early so he has to do the morning run. He'll only learn when he has to do it himself.
As far as his work is concerned, does he have agreed hours? It's not fair if he extends his working hours without reference to you. Can you agree what his hours will be and then if wants to do extra he has to negotiate with you? Again this will work better if you have somewhere to be. At the moment, he probalby doesn't see why it's an issue as you are home anyway. You tried explaining but he didn't listen so now your actions need to show that you are not covering for him without being asked, whenever he wants. Outside his formal working hours, you should both be responsible for the children, and if he wants you to do more, he needs to negotiate that and ask, not just assume.

Reginaldina · 05/04/2022 10:10

@DelphiniumBlue

With the benefit of hindsight, I would get myself an evening job, involving you leaving the house by 5:30 every evening, leaving him to deal with everything. The problem is not only that he is dumping on you, but that your career and earning capacity are affected - you would find it hard to leave should you wish to in the future as you appear to be financially dependent. Meanwhile, you explained, asked, probably cried and argued and it made no difference. The difference will be in what you do. Other posters have said that essentially you need to stop servicing him, and also you need to start taking what you need - so even if you don't get an evening job, start going to a class or something regularly. Don't prepare, just pick up your stuff and go. He needs to deal with DC by himself, and understand that your time is as valuable as his. You may have to ignore some things not being done your way, but it really doesn't matter if he leaves the curtains shut. He does need to feed the DC, and get them to bed. And if he has an issue making sure everything is ready for the next day, like you would do it, go out early so he has to do the morning run. He'll only learn when he has to do it himself. As far as his work is concerned, does he have agreed hours? It's not fair if he extends his working hours without reference to you. Can you agree what his hours will be and then if wants to do extra he has to negotiate with you? Again this will work better if you have somewhere to be. At the moment, he probalby doesn't see why it's an issue as you are home anyway. You tried explaining but he didn't listen so now your actions need to show that you are not covering for him without being asked, whenever he wants. Outside his formal working hours, you should both be responsible for the children, and if he wants you to do more, he needs to negotiate that and ask, not just assume.
Thank you, that is really good advice. I'm going out tomorrow night and I will get myself to a few evening classes that I'v been thinking about (but too knackered to drag myself out for). His job role is quite senior and he gets dragged into lots of meetings, sometimes with people in different times zones, but I do strongly believe he often uses this as an excuse and have said this to him. My career is has gone to sh*t, like a lot of women when children come along, faced with childcare costs and responsibilities (and selfish men!) but I am O.K. with that and can rectify that to an extent., I adore my children, I love spending time with them and doing arty stuff and seeing them them grow. They are my priority but I do need to do more on my own and just for me.
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EmpressCixi · 05/04/2022 10:17

You haven’t said what his hours are other than to say 4 days a week and he often works so late he only sees the DC at bedtime. It’s unfair to say he “switches off” at his desk when you’ve also said he’s in a high pressured job...so he’s not switched off at his desk, he’s working hard.

You both sound overworked- him with work and you with household work- and that’s why he’s not agreeing you are doing more work. It’s a silly argument anyway when it sounds you are both overwhelmed and doing too much work.

I think if you get some paid help in, either cleaning or child care it will give you both some much needed leisure time.

Reginaldina · 05/04/2022 10:37

Thanks for the advice and comments everyone, they have all been really helpful and made me reflect a lot, not just on the situation but on why I have allowed it to get to this point. I am definitely an over-doer. I've never posted on Mumsnet before and I don't have many if any people in real life that I would share this stuff with. It's been really good to get it off my chest and to genuinely think through all of the comments and advice.

There have been some developments since our latest argument on Sunday when I first posted. The next morning, he just said I will do the school run, which left me flabbergasted but I kept my trap shut.
I went out with my youngest to a cafe at lunch time, so there was no chance of me being at home and making lunch for us all. Then at tea time he just appeared in the kitchen (again, we were all taken aback a bit, the kids were very excited) and just took the lead on deciding what to have for tea and cooking it. I thanked him later on and said it made a huge difference to how I felt, just him pitching in. Similar again today, pitching in with breakfast.
I have planned to go out twice this week (evenings-regular events), I've booked a weekend away and I'm working on another. I feel better.

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YRGAM · 06/04/2022 18:25

That's great OP, really pleased to hear it. Hope it becomes a permanent change!

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