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Wwyd - nastiness at school, teachers brushing it off

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HollowedOut · 18/03/2022 11:11

I have 2ds - 9yo and 6yo. My 9yo is the quietest, most polite, shy, studious little boy you could ever imagine. My 6yo is loud, incredibly confident and a bit of a handful (although hilarious and lovely). Since pretty much the beginning of this school year ds2 has started hating school. He keeps pretending to be ill so he doesn’t have to go, at school he will say he has a headache/ stomach ache and can’t go out into the playground at lunchtime. I’ve spoken to his teacher who says he is happy at school and during break/ lunch he happily plays with his friends. He has occasionally been in trouble for hitting/ pushing other boys at break times but teacher has said it wasn’t done maliciously and he just got overexcited.

I’ve asked him if anyone is being nasty to him, he says they’re not. He still gets plenty of party invitations but when I’ve seen him at parties he’s been playing happily with his group of friends and occasionally another boy will take charge and quite clearly deliberately try to exclude Ds, calling him a baby and trying to get the other boys to as well. When I’m there at parties I can intervene and once this boy knows I’m watching he stops and goes back to playing nicely.

Since Covid the school would only allow one class in the playground at a time but since new year the whole school is out again. Ds1 has now come home multiple times really upset at how horrible some of the other boys are being to ds2. Ds1 has even confronted the boys a few times which, considering he had selective mutism for the first 3 years of school is incredible. Ds1 has told the lunch monitor once but since then ds2 has begged him not to and so ds1 just comes and tells me. The nastiness is them chasing ds2 round and round the playground and saying they’re playing Tag, pushing him when they get him and then pretending they’re not playing anymore when he’s the chaser. Trying to pick him up and rock him and saying he’s a little baby who needs cuddles and a dummy. Getting him to say certain words that he mispronounces and then shouting that he can’t talk yet because he’s a baby. Telling him they’ve put a slug in his drink and that if he drinks it he’ll choke. All these are things that ds1 has reported back to me. Ds1 really wouldn’t make this stuff up, him and ds2 are normally at each other’s throats and I’ve never known him be protective before. When I tried to talk to ds2 about these things he was trying really hard not to cry but said they were just games and that they were his friends.

Last week I spoke to his teacher about it and told her ds1 had told me. She used to teach ds1 back in the days when he didn’t speak so she knows he’s not one to lie or exaggerate. I told her who it was and she said she’d keep a close eye but that from what she could see they were all really close friends. Yesterday at drop off she said she’d watched them at break times and there really didn’t seem to be any nastiness. Ds2 was smiling and laughing while playing with them and that he came in happily with them afterwards. Ds1 is adamant that they are not being nice to him though and ds2 is still really upset about having to go to school and go out at lunchtimes.

What should I do next, if anything? The hard thing is ds2 probably does smile and stuff when it’s happening because he doesn’t want to show that he’s upset. But they really do seem to me like they’re being nasty. Should I just brush it off as kids going through a normal phase? I hate seeing ds2 so sad about it as he used to be such a happy, noisy little thing.

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gato2022 · 18/03/2022 12:13

This doesn't sound nice, nor something that your son should feel that he has to put up with. If the boy (or boys) are doing it on a regular basis then this suggests bullying, even at this early age, and should be dealt with under the schools bullying policy.

I've seen a book recommended in other places for similar situations - Simon's Hook: A Story About Teases & Put-Downs. It might be a way to start the conversation with your younger son.

I hope that someone else can offer support. I hope that you manage to find a way to help your son deal with this soon.

HollowedOut · 18/03/2022 13:01

Thanks @gato2022, I’ll have a look for that book.

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HollowedOut · 18/03/2022 21:29

Hopeful bump

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Littlebluebird123 · 18/03/2022 21:48

Perhaps a conversation with ds2 about the qualities friends have and the actions real friends would make. Sometimes children accept low level nastiness as it's not all the time and so it can be confusing as to where they stand. They then get caught up and don't know how to create boundaries. He may feel that by standing up for himself or asking them to stop that he would have no friends.
I would encourage him to be honest about what's going on and report back to the teacher. Perhaps even suggesting that he's laughing it off because he doesn't want to rock the boat and ask them to look into it further.

Rococococo · 18/03/2022 21:58

OP you’ll get lots of replies if you post in chat or AIBU as more people will see the thread.

I don’t have any real advice other than to say yes it does sound like bullying and you shouldn’t drop it.

Your little boy is doing his best to grin and bear this horrible treatment, maybe because the teachers do see it and dismiss it as harmless fun like his teacher did when you spoke to her. It’s not ok.

gato2022 · 19/03/2022 06:18

I guess that your main challenge is to get your son to admit that this is bullying and is having an impact on him (and it has).

www.sd51.bc.ca/wp-content/district/parent-resources/Name-Calling.pdf is a good description of the impact, but TBH you don't really need that as you know what the impact is on your son. I wonder if anyone else has managed to persuade their child to admit that they are being bullied. The more I think about this question, the more I believe that the school needs to be more involved. I think that I would go back to the teacher (with your son's agreement) and talk to them about his physical symptoms and see if things can be changed so these are reduced.

tothemoonandbackbuses · 19/03/2022 06:26

I’ve had a not dissimilar issue recently that clearly was bullying but the school said it wasn’t.
I changed tack and agreed it started as a game but didn’t end up that way by the end and my child didn’t feel able to speak up about it and my child was distressed and upset and not wanting to come to school. I expect the school to manage the situation to ensure it stops happening by ensuring my child doesn’t play with the children concerned at playtime.
I was absolutely fuming about it all but taking the word bullying out seemed to get action.

ittakes2 · 19/03/2022 06:56

One of my children has ADHD and one of the issues is missing social queues. Do you think ds2 might have ADHD? He could be seeing their laughter as he is part of their group.
But from what you have said this is shocking bullying and I would be asking to meet with the head to discuss. There is no way this should be left because otherwise the message to both your sons is that it’s ok to be treated this way.

Dilbertian · 19/03/2022 07:54

This book really helped my dd when she was struggling to understand peer relationships and the difference between being bullied and friendly teasing, and that she did not have to accept either.

Porcupineintherough · 19/03/2022 08:27

"Frienemies" are quite hard to deal with precisely because they are not nasty all of the time and, when they are, the nastiness is often disguised. I think, in your position, I'd start with doing some work around friendship with your younger son. It may give him some tools to change the dynamic or the confidence to walk away or to admit there is a problem.

HollowedOut · 19/03/2022 12:24

@ittakes2 his teacher has suggested possible ADHD, more for his inability to concentrate and the lack of awareness of volume but we’re currently waiting for a proper assessment. I didn’t know it could also be not recognising social cues.

@Dilbertian thanks, that book looks really good

@Porcupineintherough I think that’s the problem and 3 of the 4 boys only seem to do it at the encouragement of 1 of them. Individually they are all lovely to him, it’s just when they’re in a group and this one particular boy decides to start for whatever reason. Which is why I think it’s so confusing for ds2 Sad. I don’t know whether to try and encourage ds2 to play with a different group of boys entirely of whether it can be managed. But it can only be managed if the teacher recognises there’s a problem, I guess.

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