Tis all over. Cloth is being put into a big box tonight and put away until the next one/I decide there is no next one and sell em <smacks off Nappyzone's grubby mitts - they are MY longies...> I tried again, and within 24 hours he was sore. I have tried ^everything^ everyone has suggested. I can't keep doing this. I just want him to potty train soon so I can stop with "So you've ^given^ ^up^ on cloth then?" There is always the smug told you so look I haven't "given up", it wasn't too much work - his bum is just mean and unco-operative. I miss my nappies - never thought I would say that. Luckily I have a friend who is testing anything new I get in stock so I still know if it is any good or not