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When should I start using products to bath my baby?

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Stefka · 29/12/2007 12:28

My DS is 10 weeks and I just wash him with warm water and cotton wool. I don't feel the need to use any products on him yet - is there a point when I should start? I was thinking he will be ok until he starts on solids.

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CoteDAzur · 30/12/2007 22:50

My newborn DD was covered in blood and gore, especially her hair, which soon dried and formed chunks of gunk. My first whiffs of her were not the most pleasant memories.

She was soon washed and we could bask in her baby smell. Now that was heaven.

Then again, I use deodorant, so maybe we have differing views of what constitutes pleasant and unpleasant odour, especially the natural variety

hunkermunker · 30/12/2007 22:52

Ah, so you think those who don't use soap on their babies are non deodorant users themselves?

Nice and logical

hunkermunker · 30/12/2007 22:53

And my sense of smell is SO good that I can taste melon if somebody eats it whilst sitting opposite me, fgs, so I think I would notice if the boys smelt foul.

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CoteDAzur · 30/12/2007 23:03

Calm down hunker.

I was referring to warthog who said "oh, and i don't use deoderant either!" at 19:29:24.

hunkermunker · 30/12/2007 23:05

You are still missing the point spectacularly about unnecessary products - OK, you think it's important to use soap on children, but there are lots that don't and it's not shocking or precious not to.

And I'm perfectly calm, thanks.

BroccoliSpears · 30/12/2007 23:10

I didn't use deoderant while breastfeeding. Didn't like the idea of having dd so close to my armpits full of chemicals. I did whiff a bit sometimes though .

I use Green Baby stuff on dd, but only on the bits that get grubby. Smells gorgeous. I didn't use anything until she actually started to get grubby during her day though, and I have only ever used water and cotton wool for nappy changes.

Bumblelion · 30/12/2007 23:12

... not quite the sae subject, but one of my friends did not give her daughter sugar (anything sweet) until she was 5 years old. She is now quite overweight and loves chocolate (is now 18). I am not saying that not giving sugar/chocolate made her overweight but she is a bit of a honey-monster.

Everything in moderation I say.

To say no to ...

chocolate
sugar
baby shampoo
baby wipes
baby bath products

I think is conceptually wrong.

My dad (who died in 2000 at the age of 56 - nothing to do with this subject, but he was an only child born in 1943 and his mum was 43 when he was born - thought she was going through the menpause) was wrapped in cotton wool while he was growing up and caught chicken pox (for the first time) at the age of 43.

I personally believe (mother - maybe not that good! - of 3 - 15, 10, 6 (special needs) believe that everything in moderation is not bad.

i have friends who have grown up not having biscuits, crisps (crap food) in the house and they now gorge on it.

I have a fridge full of cucumber, bowl full of fruit, cupboard full of biscuits/crisps but my children will quite happily choose a banana over a kit-kat or a custard cream over an apple. It is all available at any time or day and all my children are fit and healthy because they have a 'balanced' (good/bad) diet.

CoteDAzur · 30/12/2007 23:13

Sure. Whatever rocks your boat. I will be off to sleep now.

"Necessary" can be quite relative, it seems. Some of us believe deodorants are necessary for adults, while others don't. You think kids don't need soap, I do. And so does everyone I have ever seen/known/talked to. Hence my surprise to the couple of posters here who agree with you.

On that note, have a good night. And a good life.

MerryPIFFLEmas · 30/12/2007 23:15

I loved the smell of all mine the second they came out.
Nothing but a towel rub before we went home with all 3
None were bathed in any products, not with the first two for paraben awareness, but lest I wash off their sweet newborn smell.

DD (5) has senstive skin, she reacts to cups washed in fairy liquid - so since that we have used nothing cept lavender oil and one earth friendly baby soap she tolerates
ok - by default ds2 (9 mths) who shares the bath with her gets a vague wash in it, but he is still washed with water.
He even 9 mths later has stuff behind his ears that has been there since birth.
And his ears smell FANTASTIC.

Bumblelion · 30/12/2007 23:16

... could it be an age thing?

My nan is 87 and has never used deodorant in her life, never shaved her legs, never used perfume and doesn't smell. She has never dyed her hair and, me, at age 40, use deodorant, love perfume, use shampoo/conditioner, shaved every bit of my body that sprouts hair!!!

hunkermunker · 30/12/2007 23:17

How on earth does chocolate equate to soap?

I really don't think I'm setting my son up for a lifetime of soap dependence. Perhaps he'll sneak off to have showers and baths and buy shares in Radox in the future though?

God, am I on DRUGS or something?

What a weird, weird turn this thread has taken.

Cote, whatever. You seem strangely put out that not everybody thinks soap is a necessary part of a child's life.

hunkermunker · 30/12/2007 23:18

How is it an age thing? Am I 87?

BroccoliSpears · 30/12/2007 23:19

Bumblelion - I was nodding along to your list until I got to baby wipes. Completely unnecessary, expensive, bad for the environment, bad for your baby's skin. Can't see the point in them at all and never ever buy them. Not a dig at you personally, just goes to show that we all draw our own lines in the sand .

Bumblelion · 30/12/2007 23:23

Regarding baby wipes, the first time I used them was with my eldest dd (now 15). I mostly used them for cleaning the house - wish I had invented house cleaning wipes - Johnson Baby Wipes are fantastic for cleaning furniture.

PrismManchip · 30/12/2007 23:23
MumtoCharlotteMay · 30/12/2007 23:27

I've used products on my dd ever since she was born. Though I'm careful about what and how much I use. I've never had any problems using them and don't see the harm in doing so.

I always put Johnsons baby bath into the bathwater and use a Johnsons top to toe wash to wash her body and hair. She's started to crawl about now and since being on solids gets very messy so she needs a bath every night. I then use Johnsons talcum powder to completely dry her off.

My dd is lucky enough not to suffer from sensative/irritable skin etc so I can use products on her.

It's a personal choice, if you feel comfortable with using products then great, but if you think your child doesn't need them then that's also fine. There is no right or wrong answer, go with your instincts. I personally love the smell of my dd when she's just been bathed, she smells yummy!

VeniVidiVickiQV · 30/12/2007 23:47

This is weird thread.

FWIW - Hold off as long as possible. Usually the point when your LO has discovered tiger balm, felt tips, olbas oil, vaseline, etc etc.

Furball · 31/12/2007 07:27

mumtocharlottemay - I know this thread is a bit strange but what I'm going to say now is quite important. talc is deffo bad, on the side it says 'do not inhale' (or similar) in teeny tiny writing. The make up of the particles if inhaled stay in your lungs. There are also reports about it maybe being bad for girls ovaries and things. Now I know you are thinking I'm balmy but if you must use talc - keep the container, flush the talc away and fill with cheapo cornflour. Same results but user friendly.

LazyLinePainterJane · 31/12/2007 07:55

I make my own wipes and have found that on those occasions that I have had to use "normal" wipes, I have been shocked at how rubbish they are. I need 3 manufactured wipes for every one of my own fabric wipes.

I understand that some people might feel that they have to use soap on their childs skin. They feel that they are dirty and this is the only way to get them clean. What I do not understand is the comparison to adults using deodorant. Cote, it is not the same. Some people use deodorant, some do not but there is an issue there (perspiration) that is being solved by deodorant and therefore use of it is justified.

I cannot understand how, once birth is out of the way and barring any major accidents or natural disasters, soap would remove what a bath with water would not.

The worst I think is "baby bath". What purpose does it serve?

dejags · 31/12/2007 07:57

the lowdown:

MINERAL OIL

Mineral oil is a by-product in the distillation of petroleum to produce petrol. Mineral oil SHOULD NOT BE USED IN ORGANIC PRODUCTS. Almost all baby products contain by-products of the petrochemical industry (baby oil is 100% mineral oil!). These are listed on product labels as petroleum jelly, mineral oil, petrolatum, paraffin oil as well as many others.

Mineral oils act as a barrier to the skin, therefore restricting absorption of herbs, vitamins and essential oils. The mineral oils remain on the surface and interfere with normal skin function by disrupting the oil balance and blocking the pores. It actually coats the skin just like plastic wrap, disrupting the skin?s natural immune barrier and inhibiting its ability to breathe and absorb moisture and nutrition. As the body?s largest organ of elimination, it is vital that the skin be free to release toxins.

SODIUM LAURYL SULPHATE (SLS)
SLS is an inexpensive, strong and harsh foaming or emulsifying agent, used in about 98% of all cosmetic and personal care products e.g. creams, lotions, shampoo, bubble bath, bath gels and soap. It is also used in floor cleaners, carwash soaps and engine degreasers! SLS is a skin irritant that has been widely used in laboratory testing on humans and animals to irritate the skin, so that other agents could be tested to see how they affect the irritated tissue.

Sodium Laureth Sulphate (SLES) is apparently considered much less of an irritant than SLS, but have you noticed how your children (or you!!) suffer genital irritation after bathing in bubble bath? This is the result of the sensitive mucous membranes being exposed to SLS or SLES. Many alerts, including governmental, have been released about the dangers and negative effects of SLS and SLES, yet it is abundant in many popular products. As far back as 1983 it was reported that SLS causes eye damage, depression, laboured breathing and severe skin irritation in animals. Due to its function as a ?penetration enhancer?, it breaks down barrier function of the skin, allowing potentially dangerous chemicals to penetrate deeper into the skin.

Most shampoos, even ones labelled "all natural" contain SLS. Don't be fooled by high prices or "natural" on the bottle. You must check the ingredients on the label if you want to avoid the harmful effects of SLS for yourself and your children.

PARABENS
Parabens are the most common preservatives which have been used in skincare products for decades.

A study in 1998 showed that parabens mimic the hormone oestrogen in the body. Sperm counts have fallen by half over the past 50 years and breast cancer has increased by more than 30% since 1980. In 2004, Dr. Darbre of Reading University showed that parabens were present in breast cancer tumours. Most breast cancer tumours need oestrogen to grow.

Why are parabens still used then? The answer is that the FDA and the European Cosmetic Corporation (ECC) cleared parabens for use decades ago! The link between smoking and cancer took 50 years to gain public support. Hopefully health concerns raised over the use of parabens will be recognised sooner.

FRAGRANCE / PARFUM
Most deodorants, shampoos, sunscreens, skin care, body care and baby products contain fragrance. Many of the compounds in fragrances have been linked to the possibility of immune and nervous system toxicity. ?Fragrance? on a label usually indicates the presence of 50 to 200 separate chemicals. 95% of chemicals used in fragrances are synthetic compounds derived from petroleum. Symptoms reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have included headaches, dizziness, rashes, skin discolouration, violent coughing and vomiting, and allergic skin irritation. Clinical observation by medical doctors has shown that hyperactivity, irritability, inability to cope, and other behavioural changes can all be attributed to fragrance chemicals. There is no need for baby to have to put up with fragrance just because a mother thinks it smells better!!

PROPYLENE GLYCOL
PG is a synthetic compound derived from petroleum. PG is the active component in antifreeze. There is actually no difference between what is used in industry and what is used in personal care products.

PHTHALATES (Pron: Tha-lates)
Often listed simply as ?fragrance? on labels, these chemicals have been cited as potential carcinogens. They are used to extend the life of perfumes, and to enhance the penetration of skin lotions. One phthalate, DEHP, has been linked to premature breast development in girls. Growing evidence suggests they contribute to allergic disease, including asthma. Phthalates are also suspected hormone disrupters, chemicals that may mimic oestrogen and interfere with systems in the body that regulate sexual development and fertility. They are considered to cause feminisation of males, resulting in lower sperm counts and underdeveloped genetalia.

In a study by the University of Missouri in Columbia, urine samples were collected from pregnant women in four United States cities. All of the women were found to have levels of phthalate residues in their urine.

Phthalates are also used to soften plastics. They have been banned for use in teething rings and baby toys, as there are fears of future fertility of the children.

Chemical manufacturers insist exposure to phthalates in personal care products is extremely low. The EU, though, has banned phthalates from cosmetics, citing their reproductive toxicity. In response, some U.S. cosmetics firms including L'Oreal and Revlon have begun to formulate phthalate-free products.

This information does represent marketing guff from an organic baby website, so could be slanted. IMO, however, the facts speak for themselves ?

RBH · 31/12/2007 08:15

In 2004/2005 WWF tried to raise awareness of parabens, phthalates etc and you can also find more info on their website if anyone thinks that Dejags' info is slanted. Which I don't!

warthog · 31/12/2007 08:36

i don't need to use deodorant because i don't smell.

i've noticed that clothes with man-made blends absorb sweat and smell, so i don't buy those.

there are concerns that deodorant is linked to breast cancer, but hasn't been proven yet. there have only been a couple of flawed studies. over half the tumours in the breast are in the quadrant closest to the armpit.

PrismManchip · 31/12/2007 08:41

Warthog - I don't wear unnatural fibres either, but I do pong a bit of no deodorant.
What do you think makes you not smell? (Serious question!)
Are you vegetarian?

PrismManchip · 31/12/2007 08:41

if not of

warthog · 31/12/2007 08:46

maybe i've just got used to it

no, i'm not a vegetarian. i just don't seem to sweat very much. i do wash everyday. maybe it's genetic? and i find it also depends on how long my armpit hairs are i tend to keep them on the short side!