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6 year old struggling with maths but won’t be helped

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AppleBerryCrumble · 21/01/2022 17:59

DD1 is in year 2. She’s always been on track at school before, is a particularly good reader and typically has oodles of common sense. She is, however, reluctant to do anything academic with us at home and panics about getting things wrong. We only did a little bit of homeschooling in the lockdowns due to our jobs, but she spend most of that time throwing herself on the floor in disdain whenever we made any sort of comment that wasn’t “yes, that’s exactly right”. There was also a period when she wasn’t being taught as the school offered only childcare and I was working long hours, directly involved in the national Covid response.

We’ve got into a rhythm with reading at home everyday and just about get her through her weekly spelling without her having a breakdown about the 1 or 2 words she has to think about (village not villige, orange not oringe). She invariably gets 10/10 in the weekly quiz at school.

Her teacher approached me this morning and said she was really struggling at the moment with maths, that this is unusual as she is usually “strong” at school and she wants to intervene early. We agreed to talk further next week. I was going to suggest we swap out reading at home with maths every other day, but I need some direction in what she needs to learn maths wise.

I asked DD casually this evening how she is finding maths. She said she had found it tricky recently but was getting better. She said they were doing multiplication and she had been “dreadful” to begin with but now got it. I asked her a few 2x, 3x and 5x questions and she got them all right. However, I have noticed that she finds things like “3 more than” or “5 less than” tricky. We’ve been playing a variety of games to try to address this (manopoly, dice games etc.) but it is persisting.

I have no idea how to teach a 6 year old maths. We’ve used reading eggs’ mathseeds programmes in the past, but she’s just done the placement test (as we haven’t used it in a while) and it’s put her back a bit from where she was previously. She is now catatonic with despair.

I really don’t know what to do. I’ve just let her go to watch the TV as I don’t want to make a big deal of it.

Her sister is 2 years younger, but very bright (and doesn’t give a stuff when she makes a mistake). I think there’s a good chance she will catch up her elder sister fairly soon and that is going to be a disaster for DD1’s confidence. But she’s still clever, just not exceptional like DD2. We obviously don’t say anything to this effect, but both are very astute about it. DD2 sometimes does different work to her peers at school, for example.

DH and I are also very high academic achievers, so this is new to us. While we’re not at all competitive at home, DD1 has exactly the sort of personality where she would compare herself negatively and undermine herself completely.

Help!!

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Moonlaserbearwolf · 22/01/2022 17:43

I wouldn't swap out the reading for maths if she's in a good rhythm with it. Reading with (and to) you child is the most important thing you can do to support learning.
See what the teacher suggests before you leap in - they might have some good suggestions.

Thenose · 22/01/2022 17:47

Much of the older research around autism and empathy was very poorly executed and resulted in misunderstandings that continue to pervade the literature. So, I'm not surprised you had that view. A lot of people do.

Anyway, you say your daughter is very popular in school, which does suggest she isn't autistic.

Moonlaserbearwolf · 22/01/2022 17:47

And I agree with the previous poster about modelling mistakes with your dd. Our children absolutely love it when we purposely get things wrong in class and they can point out our errors! How often do you and your husband 'get things wrong' at home? Doesn't have to be maths related.

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AppleBerryCrumble · 22/01/2022 17:50

That would be really kind @Iwonderwhatsnext thank you.

Another thought is that she’s a brilliant little actress. Evil queens, pirates, princesses with accurate (though highly irritating) American accents. After endless “she should be on the stage” comments, she does now perform locally. Another reason I’ve considered autism to be unlikely, perhaps incorrectly.

If there are means of using that to our advantage, in role playing mistakes etc. I’m sure she’d respond well (even if I’d have to do it with mentally gritted teeth!)

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AppleBerryCrumble · 22/01/2022 17:57

@Moonlaserbearwolf

And I agree with the previous poster about modelling mistakes with your dd. Our children absolutely love it when we purposely get things wrong in class and they can point out our errors! How often do you and your husband 'get things wrong' at home? Doesn't have to be maths related.
We do this quite a lot, without even having to feign it, I think. My children refer to me as “silly Mummy” regularly, because I’ve referred to myself that way so many times. Usually because I’ve forgotten one of the 23 things the school have asked us to do, with 3 hours’ notice!

Maybe we need to do it more consciously. And follow up with how it was all alright in the end.

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AppleBerryCrumble · 22/01/2022 18:08

@Moonlaserbearwolf

I wouldn't swap out the reading for maths if she's in a good rhythm with it. Reading with (and to) you child is the most important thing you can do to support learning. See what the teacher suggests before you leap in - they might have some good suggestions.
This is definitely the message the school gives.

However, we don’t have endless time in the day. I can’t read with both children, do spellings with the older one, cook dinner and sit down as a family to eat it, read them both a bedtime story and do whatever it is we are going to need to do with maths every evening.

She’s a totally independent reader now, bar the odd unusual word (many of which are place names I have to look up the pronunciation of!) so surely there’s a point when you stop being so involved?

You’re right though, I need to speak to the teacher.

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bigTillyMint · 22/01/2022 18:18

Completely agree with Thenose about autism and empathy.

Have you tried using any online maths games/practice as well as paper practice? Children who practice the same skill (eg quick recall of a times table) for 5-10 mins a day usually improve dramatically and get a lot of confidence in their maths ability as a result.

AppleBerryCrumble · 22/01/2022 18:35

@bigTillyMint

Completely agree with Thenose about autism and empathy.

Have you tried using any online maths games/practice as well as paper practice? Children who practice the same skill (eg quick recall of a times table) for 5-10 mins a day usually improve dramatically and get a lot of confidence in their maths ability as a result.

Yep, the mathseeds thing I referred to is online/app based games. She did eventually come back and say she’d do one of their chapters with me last night (a series of short games), but the one it had placed her at (after a quiz) was on a topic she has no trouble with- simple fractions. I need to find out what it is particularly that she needs to work on.
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1AngelicFruitCake · 22/01/2022 19:24

Do you play games where she loses? Learning to lose at home is so much easier to practise than publicly. My daughter struggles with this but we’ve always allowed her to lose and she understands she needs to lose and it’s ok if she does.
I try maths questions in the car and make time for more in depth maths practise at the weekend. I used to say no homework at the weekend but we couldn’t fit it in otherwise!

AppleBerryCrumble · 22/01/2022 20:09

She’s a bit obsessed with Monopoly at the moment, and she does lose at that (all by chance in the junior version).

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Moonlaserbearwolf · 22/01/2022 20:29

However, we don’t have endless time in the day. I can’t read with both children, do spellings with the older one, cook dinner and sit down as a family to eat it, read them both a bedtime story and do whatever it is we are going to need to do with maths every evening.*

I agree, for a Y2 child I certainly wouldn't be adding any additional, formal daily maths homework into your schedule. You will all burn out! It should be covered through intervention work at school (I'm a primary teacher).

My daughter (7) has also lost confidence in maths recently so I've been thinking up fun problems for her to work out when we're driving in the car. I pick subjects that interest her and turn it into a game. The irony of working full time as a teacher is that I don't have much time to worry or address academic issues with my own children - I find car journeys invaluable!

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