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Please help alleviate my worries about my four year old

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TheBeastReleased · 17/01/2022 14:23

This is probably just my anxiety speaking due to the process of applying for my son's primary school, but I would really appreciate some advice from others who may have been through something similar.

My son turned 4 in the autumn, and will be due to start P1 in August this year. He is very excited about starting primary school as lots of his friends from his nursery class went last year, but I feel terrified he's not ready yet.

For starters, I'm worried about his size. He's tiny. Just under the 2nd centile for height, he's the smallest in his nursery class (ages 3 and 4, so there are just-turned 3 year olds in his class who are taller than him). I know his size shouldn't make a difference, and someone has to be the smallest in the class, but I do worry that his littleness might make him a target for bullies, or that he'll be overlooked or something. I can't even explain fully why I'm worried about his size, I just am. (I am going to ask for him to be reviewed by the GP as neither me or his dad are particularly short, we're both pretty average heights so I'm worried there's something going on for our son to be so short.)

I'm also worried that although generally he's pretty good at going to the toilet, he can go through phases of having several accidents a day for a week or two. Quite often he says he just forgets to go, or he doesn't realise he needs to go until it's too late then he can't hold on. Or he thinks it's just a fart but it's not. I honestly worry that it he has an accident at school he won't be able to clean himself up properly and no one will be there to help him and it'll be horrible for him. I know there's still 8 months before school starts, so we're doing our best to work on it, but what if it's still happening regularly when it's time for him to go to school? It's been happening on and off since he was potty trained so I can't see it completely resolving before the summer.

Another concern I've got is that, despite our very best efforts, he doesn't really know his letters and isn't completely sure of his numbers. He can count to 20, although more often than not he misses out 13 and 15, so we're trying our best to help him remember those.
He can barely remember more than 8 letters. We've got flash cards and try to make games out of it, and I know they do games with letters and numbers at nursery, but it just doesn't seem to be sticking. He seems to have no interest at all. My mum says all of her five kids knew the alphabet before starting school, and apparently we could read and write basic words (dog, cat, ball etc) so speaking to her just leaves me feeling more worried something is wrong with my son.

I think he's intelligent in that if he's interested in something he will want to know everything about it. He loves dinosaurs, volcanoes, space... He can recognise and name 20 dinosaurs, or reel off fact after fact about the planets and stars. He can recognise different constellations (we go stargazing every time it's clear) and can name the phases of the moon and he has a really good understanding of why the moon changes shape, why we get seasons and night and day etc. But if he's not interested in something he just switches off. When we try to make games out of letters and numbers he just says it's boring and gets distracted and starts getting silly (usually every answer becomes poo-poo or wee-wee).

He's extremely active. I imagine he's like most four year olds in that he cannot sit still for more than about 5 minutes. Even getting him to sit down in his chair to eat his dinner is a challenge as he just wants to be up bouncing or running around. He won't even sit still watch TV (we only let him have limited screen time, usually none through the week and just an hour or two at the weekend to give us a break) he'll be bouncing or dancing or fidgeting around, or balancing upside down on his head on the sofa etc. I worry how he'll cope in a classroom where he'll be expected to sit for lessons. He needs at least two hours every day running around outside or he starts getting silly, over-excited and argumentative. I worry that if he can't sit attentively for lessons at school he'll just be labelled as a trouble maker or a bad kid, and I really don't think he is!

He is the most loving wee soul, and I think he's got a fantastic personality. Of course I would say that as his mum, but I've been told by nursery staff and friends and family that he is always very polite and he loves helping others. He loves it when some of the younger kids move up into his class at nursery and the nursery staff always say he's the first to make friends with the new children and help them transition to his room. He's very outgoing and talks and talks and talks. He never stops asking questions and will chatter away with anyone and everyone.

Sorry this is such an essay! I'm just so anxious about him starting school after the summer. I'm sure many mums have had similar concerns so please help reassure me! Or maybe you think he isn't ready, in which case if you think I should defer for a term then I would love to hear that too!
Thank you!

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TheBeastReleased · 17/01/2022 14:27

I'm so sorry, when I was typing it out I knew I'd written quote a lot, but now I see it on the page it's endless! Not expecting anyone to read the full thing.

Basically, my son is 4, very short in height, goes through phases of frequent toileting accidents, doesn't yet know his letters or numbers and can struggle to sit still for more than a few minutes. I'm worried about him not being ready for school in August.

Any advice hugely appreciated from parents who may have/had similar children or experiences.

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SandysMam · 17/01/2022 14:29

He has nearly 8 months until he starts school and all of this sounds normal anyway! I think you need to relax a bit!

BethDutton · 17/01/2022 14:34

Gosh, he sounds fab, really try not to worry so much. Mine are teenagers now but I didn’t want to not reply.

Your DS still has loads of time before starting school and will keep developing. He is happy, enthusiastic and polite, how wonderful. As for being able to write dog and ball, it’s just not an issue at his age. Your mum is not being helpful, her memory may or may not be playing tricks on her, I would take her comments with a pinch of salt. Unfortunately some of us have really supportive mums and some of us have mums who undermine and like to feel superior.

Relax and enjoy your little boy. If it eases your mind ask your GP re his growth.

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Namechangeforthis88 · 17/01/2022 14:34

For starters, don't worry about the letters and numbers. That's what school is for, some might be further ahead but some will have less knowledge. Mine didn't know any letters or numbers when he started school and he's fine.

School will have dealt with children that struggle with toilets at this stage, but if I were you, that's where any energy would go.

He sounds lovely and I'm sure they'll love having him but of course we all want our kids to be happy and for their lives to be trouble free!

cultkid · 17/01/2022 14:34

Sounds like my son except the size bit

He will grow up a lot over the next few months, nursery will help him prepare for school.

Most of the children won't be able to focus either but they do tasks for about twenty minutes at a time in reception.

My son couldn't count, draw a stick man or write dog etc or even recognise letters when he started reception

He is now blending sounds etc

I promise your son will be ok, they will help him to join in and socialise but do get his size checked out

Ps I think my son has ADD and is going to be assessed but I think it's very early for you to worry about anything developmental with your son

My son had 5 extra senco sessions in things in reception and now in year one just has two

It suddenly all came together for him

It's so nice to read something from a parent who cares so much for their child 😬💓💓💓 he will be great no matter what with a mum like you xx

LuchiMangsho · 17/01/2022 14:37

So he’s going to be one of the older kids in his class. The teachers will help with accidents.
They don’t expect Reception kids to sit still.
I have a tiny child (born extremely prematurely) and no one has ever picked on him. 4/5 year olds are not teenagers. They don’t notice this stuff. And finally, kids are not meant to know their letters and numbers before Reception.

MonkeyPuddle · 17/01/2022 14:40

Honey, you’re fretting. You don’t need to.
My completely average summer born 4 year old started reception in September. He couldn’t read a single letter. Not one. He’s now powering through his weekly phonics books. He could count from 1- 20, (though he always said it twelvety!)

Please don’t worry so much, there’s ages til he starts. Have a look back in your photos or something and see how much he’s come on leaps and bounds in the last 8 months, he has so much time.

School readiness isn’t about being able to count and read, it’s about being able to play, get his shoes in, get changed after PE, maybe zip his coat up. Saying that, my son still can’t wipe his own bum, but it’s a work in progress.

Breathe, he and you will be fine.

Sausagesausagesausage · 17/01/2022 14:41

Apart from the size he could be mine! I'm not worried in the slightest, he's going to school to learn stuff like numbers and letters, that's not my job. I think peer pressure accounts for a lot - we've been on school visits and the children are all largely well behaved. I popped into preschool randomly a couple of weeks ago to drop something off and DS was sat there listening nicely whereas at home he's lying upside down on the sofa or trying to balance the baby on his head.

We've got 8/9 months to teach them the skills they need to get through the school day - toiletting properly, getting uniforms on and off, putting shoes on the right feet. It's loads of time.

WeWashEverythingExceptLaundry · 17/01/2022 14:43

As the mother of three tiny/formerly tiny kids (dh and I definitely on the short side and two short grandparents so clear where it's from in our case) I understand that you're worried, particularly as unusual tallness appears celebrated and shortness... not so. There has been the odd stupid comment chucked at mine over the years. But up to now (oldest two are teens and still on the small side) there's not really been anything I would call real disadvantage from it. Most children have something that marks them out from the crowd and a pastorally supportive school can help a lot with dealing with difference.

The rest of it all sounds entirely normal. My three were all 3.5 before they were dry in the day, and although they had very few accidents thereafter, it did happen on occasion. Do you think it might help if you set a buzzer when he's home and he tries to go to the loo every hour or something? Just to get it more onto his horizon.

Mine were all missing out one or two of the mid-teen numbers when counting at that sort of age - it must be a thing Grin Tbh, even if it seems counter-intuitive, I'd put the flashcards down and back right off. He sounds a bright and engaged boy and, tbh, a four-year-old, in my book, has a right to 'switch off' from cognitive input whenever they damn well please. I can't help feeling he's picking up on your underlying anxiety or your desire for him to 'perform' (I don't mean that as harshly as it sounds) and kicking against it, as well he might. I do live in a country where school starts a good bit later - mine all went/are going (youngest is 6 and sounds very like your boy in some respects, incl the talking talking talking and the bouncing around) between 6 and 7 - so I can probably 'afford' to be more relaxed, but at the same time education is not a race and making it into one takes all the joy out of it, although IMO there's a strong culture in the UK of doing just that. Don't let yourself be pulled along by it. Compare your boy with himself only - unless you have serious developmenta concerns, and I really can't see any from what you write. He sounds great fun. Enjoy him. :)

Clarkey86 · 17/01/2022 14:44

I don’t have much time to reply, but I’m a teacher and honestly he sounds fab and he’ll be great!

Size - Other kids won’t even notice. Bullying doesn’t happen at that age, in my experience. Curiosity perhaps? As in sometimes kids will go “Why do you have that colour hair?” etc but that’s likely all. There will be kids of all shapes and sizes.

Ability - It really doesn’t matter. Again there will be a wide range of abilities - some won’t be able to even count to 5. The staff are there to teach them all. Counting to 20 is really good for pre-school age!!

Sitting still - They’re not expected to sit for more than about 15 mins. And that they’ll work on and it will involve lots of interactivity and movement - not just passively sitting and listening.

ItsJustMyFace · 17/01/2022 14:45

Hi I think your DS sounds absolutely lovely with his lovely kind manner, his fascination with stars and dinosaurs and so amazing he can remember the names! He seems like he obviously thrives in that area of understanding the world. I can understand your worries as a mum myself, however I think your little one will be absolutely fine once he gets to school. I thought it was important to know numbers and letters at that age, however when my DD started school they learnt all that from scratch anyway! As for toilet issues I think so much can change from now until when school starts. In my DD's class there were a couple of children who still had the odd accidents at age 4 so I'm sure if it did happen he wouldn't be the first or the last, so the teacher will have experienced it before.

In regards to not sitting still for too long most schools at that age don't have much sit down lessons as such and alot is still play based. My DD had lots of time indoors and outdoors free playing in her first 2 years, as well as small group games based on maths/English with a teacher. Now she's in year 2 it's pretty much all sit at table all day.
Anyway hope some of this helps put your mind at rest.

BethDutton · 17/01/2022 14:48

Some great up to date advice here (from younger mums than me!). I agree especially with the post from WeWashEverythingExceptLaundry, step away from the flash cards Grin.

Gabbiadini · 17/01/2022 14:52

I work in a nursery. Although the majority of our 4 year olds don’t have regular accidents some do and it’s not unusual at all. Often they go through periods where it happens again for a bit and then stops again.

Most of them can count. So many miss out the odd number in the teens. Some of them know some letters. Most of them know their own letter for their name. A very few will recognise every letter before they start school.

Some kids are small. I know it’s really hard but try not to worry. He might grow quite a bit before he goes to big school but even if he’s still the smallest he will be fine. Obviously if you are worried about his growth generally it’s worth getting it checked out but otherwise try not to worry too much and obviously don’t let him know that you’re worried (I’m sure you don’t).

He sounds lovely. That’s way more important than anything else.

TheBeastReleased · 17/01/2022 16:09

Thank you all so so much for all your replies. You've all been so helpful and lovely. Hard to believe, but I am usually generally pretty laid back about stuff, but I've felt myself become more and more anxious about my son over the last couple of months, probably just because it's going to be a big transition for him. But your replies have really helped to relieve my concerns.

For some reason, I had in mind that the kids would be expected to just sit at their desks for most of the day doing worksheets and books and stuff. I've not really got many memories of early years at school so I'm obviously completely out of touch with reality! I'm very relieved to hear that he'll not be expected to sit for hours at a time and know everything before he starts! I'll stop stressing and just keep encouraging him to be his wonderful self.

Thank you so so much.

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LakeShoreD · 17/01/2022 16:25

My nephew is tiny and the only time he’s ever had nasty comments is from an opposing football team, because he was trashing them!

There’s ages to work on the toilet accidents but our school advised reception to bring a spare PE to keep in school just in case so it must accidents must be reasonably common.

Step away from the flash cards and ignore your mum, academically he sounds like a lovely and perfectly normal 4YO. By making it a chore I think you risk doing more harm than good. My 4YO started school in September and still misses out teen numbers when she’s not concentrating like when she’s over excited playing hide and seek!

OnGoldenPond · 17/01/2022 16:33

Reception class teachers are used to children in their class having occasional accidents, it's completely normal. They just get them cleaned up with no fuss. They definitely don't leave children to clean themselves up. It's a good idea to keep a few changes of clothes at school for them to use.

The teacher will NOT expect children to know their letters and numbers before starting, that is what school is for! Pre schools may start to introduce this as a way of preparing them for the routines of school but no actual mastery will be expected. As long as they are able to sit still and concentrate for at least a little while they will be ready to benefit from school. DS didn't know any letters or numbers when starting reception and he's now in his second year of his degree course at a good university Grin

Don't worry, he'll be fine. The fact he is really looking forward to starting school is a good indicator that he is ready.

YerAWizardHarry · 17/01/2022 16:39

I'm a teacher in Scotland! There's no way he will be expected to sit at a desk and learn all day long. A lot of schools are implementing play based learning for the early years.

Don't worry about numbers and letters as he will learn these at school.

Bobholll · 17/01/2022 23:07

Reception (or equivalent in Scotland) is play based. My DD has focused group activities such as reading, writing, numeracy games & the rest is ‘free’ play. Again, play is focused on a weekly topic & learning through play activities set out for them. One activity today was in the water tray, learning about capacity.

My DD is a real wriggler & she’s doing fab at school! She coincidentally had a poo accident today. Very rare for her but she’s a bit under the weather & that’s when accidents tend to happen for her (not covid, we’ve checked 🙈). The TA helped her change into spare trousers. My heart does break a little when I think of how worried she probably felt at that moment, she’s quite shy 💔 but we’ve given her lots of love & cuddles this evening & she doesn’t seem too bothered!

annlee3817 · 17/01/2022 23:50

Reception is similar to nursery in that they can freely move from one play station to another, there is a little more structure, but I wouldn't worry about the sitting still part.

My DD started to have a few accidents on reception, I used to send spare clothes in her book bag so that they could get her changed if needed, she was distracted by the new environment and then didn't get to the loo in time, it was fine though, she soon settled in and it was then quite rare. We told the teacher that she had spare clothes in her bag.

All normal worries though, he'll be fine :)

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