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4 year old DD clothes/fashion obsessed

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PerpetualStudent · 01/01/2022 17:51

Looking for some advice. My 4 yr old DD has become pretty fixated on what she wears the past few months. A lot of it is fairly harmless - though a little grating - stuff about wanting to be in dresses and tights and have fancy hairstyles (“girls don’t wear jeans and joggers, only boys wear jeans and joggers” she says to her mother, who lives in jeans and joggers!) I get a lot of this is about autonomy and developing identity so as much as possible we try to leave her to it and make her own choices.

There’s a couple of things which are causing real issues though - the first is that she completely refuses to dress for the weather. We live in the Scottish Highlands, so when you are out and about at this time of year you need to be warm and dry. My DH would be literally up a mountain daily if up to him, I’m less adventurous but still like to get some actual vitamin D and fresh air daily in the few daylight hours available! She will scream and tantrum about putting on any coat apart from her lightweight mac and will often refuse any sort of jumper (apparently girls ‘only’ wear flimsy party cardigans or have bare arms also?!) The upshot is:
A) She refuses to play in the garden with her brother, so we get a situation where DS is the only one helping to chop wood or do gardening, and DD is always indoors rearranging her dolls.
B) After an end of tether ‘fine, wear what you like, but you’ll get cold’ she, surprise, gets cold/wet and even once she’s reluctantly put on the gear we have of course brought with us it’s a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted and she’s plays merry hell until we give in and go home.
C) On school/nursery days, or when we are trying to go somewhere for a day trip this can be so time consuming we become seriously late. DS has missed the school bell before because of a stand off with DD about wearing gloves. A lot the time we are physically manhandling her into the clothes but she will sometimes fight us and get into a complete emotional state - which doesn’t feel good for anyone.

Relatedly, she still has occasional tolieting issues - just the odd accident because ‘I was having too much fun playing’. But, we’re pretty sure she will sometimes do this when she is wearing clothes she doesn’t like, so she can go change into a new outfit. We follow the idea of not getting cross with them for accidents, but it’s pretty frustrating and a little concerning.

Worth saying no SEN, no sensory issues that I’m aware of - often the preferred options have more itchy bits, bows, seams etc than her standard play clothes.

TL:DR my young DD is obsessed with very ‘girly’ clothes, I’m not bothered in principle, but it’s making daily family life a bit of a battleground and limiting all our activities, any advice?

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WishIwasElsa · 01/01/2022 17:55

What about girly jeans or joggers, my dd is 5 and after we had a giggle the other day about ds putting on a pair of jeggings of hers she declared she had no idea why I had bought them for her as they're 'plain' and therefor awful- very dramatic she is Grin

Suprima · 01/01/2022 17:57

Can’t you get her some tracksuits and trainers in the colours she likes, with appropriate butterflies and glitter where possible?

weemouse · 01/01/2022 17:58

You're the Mum.

You firmly tell her what's weather appropriate, not wait for her to get wet, she is 4, FFS

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icklekid · 01/01/2022 18:02

My dd went through a stage of refusing anything with long sleeves. Including a beautiful Christmas nightie we bought her- she loved it except
Because it had sleeves she literally never wore it.
Other than a coat being a non negotiable I just went with it… she grew out of it. I’ve let her get cold before and then reminded her of this the next time she questioned not wearing layers… I do a lot of 2 choices between outfits so she feels ok control but actually both are acceptable.

She is still very particular about what she wears now at 5! Yesterday she had a long sleeves t shirt, leggings, shorts, tutu and fluffy gilet on for most of the day🤷‍♀️

AnnaMagnani · 01/01/2022 18:05

It sounds like a mix of things - not just liking the girly clothes.

She's discovered there is a difference between boys and girls and has focussed it being clothes - good opportunity for you to start pointing out that lots of girls including you wear non-girly clothes and are still girls!

She's also noticed that she can get her own way by focussing on the clothes eg staying indoors and playing with dolls, not getting ready for school, not having to do chores. Time for her to learn some natural consequences - she goes out without gloves on and gets cold. Not after a big argument but just a 'fine, wear what you like' and move on.

It's fine for her to like girly clothes, loads of small girls do but it sounds as if this is less about the clothes and more about her getting a load of attention.

HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime · 01/01/2022 18:06

It's a phase, this too shall pass and you'll by happily reminiscing about it in a few years.

Play her at her own game, Pink waterproof ski coat and trousers with a tutu pulled up over the top and fairy wings to be the rain fairy? Pink sparkly gloves, hat and scarf. She's 4, Id wrap it all up in the pinkest gift bag I can find with a letter (on pink paper obvs) from the 'weather fairy' . Santa noticed on his recent visit that she has been getting cold and not dressing for the weather and asked her to send your DC some winter clothes.

Kids eat that rubbish up, my Dd had a similar letter from the sand man as she wasn't going to bed properly. She's 12 now and is completely unscathed by my white lies.

FuzzyPenguin · 01/01/2022 18:07

Do you know where she is getting the idea about girls dressing this way? Is she being influenced by something. You say you wear jeans and joggers so something else must be making her think this way?

Maybe find some examples of women and girls wearing more appropriate clothing for the weather/ task in hand.

I actually think it’s ok to let them get cold once in a while, we went though this with DS not wanting to wear a coat so I would just put it in bag and let him get cold he soon learnt.

Indecisivelurcher · 01/01/2022 18:11

My Dd has always been particular in her clothing tastes, even back when she was 2 I had to return things to the shops because she'd point blank refuse to wear them. She also picks things not appropriate to the weather. The best I can suggest is do some online shopping together and let her pick trousers and joggers she does like and explain what sceneries she needs to wear the clothes in. And try to reduce the amount of impractical clothing she owns. My Dd is 7 now and I recently had a breakthrough when I explained that women haven't always been allowed to wear trousers, we talked about riding side saddle and all the things women weren't allowed to do. She even chose to wear trousers to school for the last 2 weeks.

LakeShoreD · 01/01/2022 18:16

She doesn’t need to wear joggers to be warm so I’d stop trying to push that. Jumper dresses, fleecy tights, pink ski jacket and pink snow boots, glittery gloves… that sort of thing would be fine! I used to live in the northern US and never felt the need to wear joggers for the winter weather and didn’t dress DD in them either. But a lot of this behaviour sounds like attention seeking so as much as possible I would stop engaging with it. If she doesn’t want to wear the gloves then unless you’re actually in frostbite territory then fine, she gets cold hands, she can play merry hell all she likes but you don’t go home early.

BarbaraLoganPrice · 01/01/2022 18:23

You need to be telling her, as many times as it takes (in age-appropriate language), that girls are not confined to certain types of clothes. It's worrying that at 4 she already has such rigid ideas of what she should or shouldn't do based on her sex.
Please don't go down the route of "pink and sparkly" to try and appease her, it's not helpful.
Talk to her properly about it, point out clothes you are wearing "isn't that funny, I'm wearing trousers and I'm a woman!" someone on TV or in a book in clothes that don't match the stereotypes she has picked up on. Ask her what her favourite colours are and encourage her to choose clothes in those colours.
You might not be bothered about it but it's obviously making her miserable. Don't allow her to grow up with these ridiculous limitations.

Atla · 01/01/2022 18:26

My DD is similar (age 5 nearly 6) - I am very much NOT a pink, flowery, girly person. I just buy her versions of clothes (tops/leggings/coats) that are acceptable to her - so pink/glitter/characters she likes/garish Disney Princess wellies.

My DD would live in party dresses, I let her pick some long sleeve tops/ tights or leggings to go underneath in winter, she is ok with that.

Booksandwine80 · 01/01/2022 18:38

My DD almost 5 is very similar, she is also obsessed with princess dresses-she changes her outfit multiple times a day if we’re at home.

I literally am tidying away clothes all day, she messes up her drawers every day rummaging for stuff Hmm

ringoutthebells · 01/01/2022 18:39

'It's worrying that at 4 she already has such rigid ideas of what she should or shouldn't do based on her sex.'

It isn't. It's actually age appropriate and perfectly normal 4 year old behaviour, albeit annoying. She doesn't need a lecture about the patriarchy, she's just a slightly rigid 4 year old.

Largely agree with LakeShoreD. Accommodate her likes where you can and set firm but kind boundaries where you can't.

It is annoying though, I get it!

Arren12 · 01/01/2022 18:46

Both my dds are like this. I hate it as I don't like the pink glittery party dresses and don't feel like girls and boys should be limited etc... they would go out in floaty dresses in the snow. Even at 8 my eldest is still this way. I'm hoping it passes as they age. Even if I let them choose the jeans etc they will sit unworn. Its not worth the daily argument.

Changethetoner · 01/01/2022 18:47

Go through her wardrobes/drawers and remove any clothes that are totally inappropriate for the season - strappy tee-shirts, sandals, shorts. so that when she chooses her clothes, the option is limited to stuff you approve of. (lots of families have winter/summer clothes).

If the coat she prefers is too lightweight, remove it from the choices.

lobsteroll · 01/01/2022 18:59

I empathise completely as I have a similar child.

I agree with others, point out that girls can wear whatever they want to. But also, if she likes "girly" clothes, can she have girly versions of outdoor clothing?

I think it's fine to wear a skirt and tights with a coat and wellies to be outside doing the gardening/going for a walk etc. As long as she's warm and dry it doesn't really matter. What about a glittery pink umbrella? Sparkly gloves?

Mwnci123 · 01/01/2022 19:25

There's an episode of Daniel Tiger's Neighbourhood about choosing the right clothes for a given activity. May be helpful. Mind you, my girlie girl watched it and then put on a tutu without tights to go to the soft play, so maybe not.

She likes things that have been handed down from her much admired older cousin. Are there any older girls who dress mor seasonally appropriately that she might want to emulate?

To the posters advising education about the patriarchy and a pitched battle about clothes- I don't think you've raised a girl who is fussy about what she wears.

Bobholll · 01/01/2022 21:17

Daniel Tigers Neighbourhood is brilliant for teaching things! It looks like complete rubbish but actually quite good!

My DD is girly which I find baffling. I’m really not & I’ve never encouraged her to be so. She refuses to wear non ‘girly’ colours but I’m entirely responsible for her wardrobe. At this time of year, she’s got thick, long sleeve dresses, thick tights, jumpers/cardigans in appropriately girly patterns. She also has a stash of vests. I don’t keep anything short sleeved/summery in her wardrobe, it’s hidden in mine 😄 Same with coats - her spring/summer macs are away in the garage. Her thick winter coat is out.

It works for us thankfully! And if she refuses to wear a coat, we literally don’t go out. I did that twice & she missed out on seeing her friends at the park. She’s never done it again 😉

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