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Advice on contact arrangements with children's dad

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amywright2906 · 07/12/2021 20:29

Hi there, I wanted some advice on the contact arrangements I have with my children's dad and whether you think they are beneficial or detrimental to my children?

A bit of a backstory, I have three children, a son aged 9 and two daughters aged 8 and 6. I was with their dad for 8 years and I left him 2 years ago because he was a narcissist and abused me emotionally, psychologically and financially. He forced me to leave the flat we shared as I was not on the tenancy agreement and refused to give me any of the furniture (even the kids' beds!). So I found a house for me and the kids and since then they have stayed with me for 4 nights a week and with their dad 3 nights a week. It is not at all amicable between us and he still tries to control and manipulate me, especially through the children. It has been a really tough time. The break-up affected my son the most (he has anxiety anyway and that just made it 10 times worse). It didn't help that their dad would tell the kids that it was my decision to leave and that he still loved me. So at the time, they blamed me, my son would constantly cry to be with his dad and would refuse to get in the car when I picked him up. He started having meltdowns, really bad behavior and low self-esteem. This got better after 6 months and the kids managed to get used to it and it stayed like this for about a year then. Then 6 months ago, their dad introduced the kids to his new girlfriend and since then, my son's behavior has reverted back to how it was when we first split up; meltdowns, anxiety attacks, refusal to talk, bottling up emotions, fits of rage, extremely low self-esteem. I talked to the school and managed to get him referred to counselling. I told his dad all of this.

The kids came home one weekend about a month ago and told me that their dad's girlfriend is moving in with her 3 year old son to the 2 bedroom flat that he rents. When I asked where they would all sleep, the kids told me that all 4 children were going to sleep in one room! I told their dad I was unhappy about this and so he agreed that when my kids are there, the girlfriend's son would sleep in his bedroom.

Since the move, all three of my children have reacted really badly, they have been extremely emotional, angry and hard work. They tell me the types of things their dad says to them and it's not right, it's manipulative. I worry that spending 3 nights a week at his is not good for them in the long run, however is it really ok to change contact arrangements now when they're all obviously already struggling with a huge change? I also worry that they'd resent me as they do want to stay at their dad's 3 nights a week. I just want to know what the best thing to do is?

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RedWingBoots · 08/12/2021 09:15

Wrong place to post this - you should really post this in "legal" to get the legal perspective on this.

Firstly you don't have a veto on your children's sleeping arrangements when they are with their father. The kids do but they won't be listened to properly until they are in secondary school.

Secondly if their father is the type to get help from fathers/family groups or has family with money he will take you to Court if you change arrangements. This is not a good outcome for your children so stick to the contact arrangements you have agreed with him until your children start secondary. Then if they refuse to stay with him back them up by saying their individual relationships are between him and the particular child concerned.

In regards to your children's tantrums and testing of you, you need to tell them "My house my rules, your dad's home his rules." Then make it clear you cannot change what is going on at their dads home and he can't interfere in what is going on in your home. If they tell you stuff about what they did with their dad/what he said you need to brush it off e.g. "Well that's what your dad is like"

You also should go to counseling to work out how you can learn not to rise to his behaviour. He can't manipulate you through your joint children if you refuse to rise in reaction to it.

LSLL · 06/09/2022 23:57

what do you think will happen at court?

My ex partner left the family home end of January this year..
we have a 3 year old boy and 21 month old girl together we have tried mediation to sort out contact arrangements order but he didnt wish to continue, we then had a court hearing for c100 child arrangements order which he didnt attend ..so i now have a court order which states the chilldren live with me and are to spend day time
twice a week with dad .. he now is taking me to court for overnight access which i feel the children wont cope with at this moment in time as they are very young and never stayed away from me or there own home.

There is also 3 older children who live with dad now and im also concerned there is not enough room for 5 children to share 2 bedrooms. The children are all girls age 8 10 and 13. Its alot of change for my little ones and think it will cause more disruption and they wont deal well with being in a house overnight with 3 older children and sharing a room. they have separate rooms at moment and use to just the 3 of us. The find it overwhelming when they have been to dads as there alot more people around and are hard to settle when they come home. i want to wait til they are a little older to stay overnight. My court order was only issued a month ago . How will caffcass see this and do you think i can stop overnight until there is sufficient space and they can deal with being away from me as the whole sistuation has made them very clingy to me. ?

PeekAtYou · 07/09/2022 00:10

You can't just stop contact.
Your ex has equal parenting power to you and a court isn't going to punish him with less contact just because the kids are unsettled and anxious.
Once they are 12ish, a court would say that the kids can decide how much to see a parent but until then, unless it's serious and SS need to be involved, the kids should continue to see him 3 times a week. If you stopped contact and he took you to court, a judge would see it as using the kids as a weapon and not be amused.

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LSLL · 07/09/2022 09:15

Some advice please ..
My ex partner left the family home end of January this year..
we have a 3 year old boy and 21 month old girl together we have tried mediation to sort out contact arrangements order but he didnt wish to continue, we then had a court hearing for c100 child arrangements order which he didnt attend ..so i now have a court order which states the chilldren live with me and are to spend day time
twice a week with dad .. he now is taking me to court for overnight access which i feel the children wont cope well with at this moment in time as they are very young and never stayed away from me or there own home.

There is also 3 older children who live with dad now and im also concerned there is not enough room for 5 children to share 2 bedrooms. The children are all girls age 8 10 and 13. Its alot of change for my little ones and think it will cause more disruption and they wont deal well with being in a house overnight with 3 older children and sharing a room. they have separate rooms at moment and use to just the 3 of us. The find it overwhelming when they have been to dads as there alot more people around and are hard to settle when they come home. i want to wait til they are a little older or at least have had time to get use to all these changes before they stay overnight. My court order was only issued a month ago . How will caffcass see this and do you think i can stop overnight until there is sufficient space and they can deal with being away from me as the whole sistuation has made them very clingy to me. ?

LSLL · 07/09/2022 10:10

Ive never stopped contact and wont ever stop contact i mean i wish to continue with the 2 times a week daytime but just not overnight at the minute until they have had some consistency with the routine we have and had time to get use to this then gradually increase to overnight when they children are less clingy a litttle older and have appropriate space.

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