Do you agree with Fathers For Justice? - *beware* -*contentious*

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I'm not asking if you agree that fathers who have had a raw deal should be given justice - I'm asking whether you think that Fathers For Justic and the idiots that use their name are right in doing what they do? I agree that some fathers should be given more rights by the court but that doesn't include all fathers. I'm getting really sick of seeing/reading things about idiots dressed up, doing idiotic things, when by all reports they don't deserve to have kids and if they do why aren't they 'at home' trying every legal route to see their kids and not just pissing about??

Last night, was coming home and along one tiny stretch of road was 4 huge board thingys in a field saying the usual - 'Fathers for justice' 'Fathers have rights' 'Children need fathers' etc and it's probably just me but it made my blood boil. you don't see other 'causes' doing that sort of rubbish all over the place!!

Ok, end of rant!!! But do you think they're right to go to such extremes all the time or are they just arrogant t*ssers?

Caligula - you put it far better than I've managed to so far - thanks!! That's my point, not that fathers shouldn't get rights or that F4J are good at getting their point across but speaking from the 'opposite side of the fence' - I just can't stand them using a good cause to cover their own 'revenge'.

The other thing that gets me is yes, everyone's entitled to protest for what they believe in but what about the mothers who'd like to protest in the same way against these men having access to their kids? Guess what - they can't because they're too busy putting the children first and looking after them so they wouldn't have the time!!!

As a wife, mother and step-mother, I can see where Fathers 4 Justice come from. My step-son is 7 years old. I met my husband when his son was 2. From the age of 3 - 6, we managed to see my step-son once and for 3 years we received a torrent of abuse from his mother, her bf and her family. We received threats, abusive texts and phone calls. We spent hundreds of pounds on solicitors fees - it took 6 months of letters (which we were paying for) and in the end a court order to get a response from her. When he got to court, they sided with her over everything. There was a paternity issue which arose when he discovered she had been cheating - which was the reason they broke up and my husband had asked her to resolve time and time again but she refused. She refused this in court and the court said it was a violation of her human rights to make her do the test. Eventually it was sorted out with court via the csa (whom we have paid over £10,000 in back payments over 3 years as we had no proof of money we HAD paid to her and she told them she hadn't received a penny and they took her word) we started to have regular contact with my step son from summer 2011 when he came to stay with us for 10 days, we went up to visit him, had him over new year. My husband said 1 thing that his ex wasn't happy with and she is now ignoring emails, calls and text messages. We are supposed to have him for 1 week at Easter but it doesn't seem likely. We are expecting our 3rd child in September and my step-son has always spoke about not seeing his siblings when they were babies so he was over the moon to hear he was going to see this one....not anymore unless the courts get their heads out their backsides. This woman was physically abusive to my husband who never lifted his hand to her (she has done this to 2 other bfs since, once whom she has a daughter with). My husband is getting increasingly frustrated with this as once again he is being shut out of his sons life just because the mother feels like it, just because she can and just because she knows at the end of the day, she has the winning card. She can stand up and say she has been left to bring her son up alone etc etc and when my husband puts it right as to why she has had to do it alone no-one listens. My husband has his flaws, I'm not saying he is perfect, he has spoken out of anger particularly when I was under attack from his ex but he is a wonderful father who his son adored as he got to know him again and now his son is the one who is most going to suffer again. I can understand the frustrations of men and women alike who are unable to get access to their children, step-children, grandchildren etc and the frustrations of walking out of court after being made to feel the size of a pea, named a run away dad who didn't give a shit just because that's how the mother has described you. Called a liar when you try to defend yourself because the woman sitting crying says that's what you are. Are Fathers 4 Justice tactics sometimes on the extreme end of the scale, of course, but for someone who has been on the other end, sometimes this is what it takes to make people listen. I don't believe they think abusive dads should have access but if a woman says a man is abusive everyone will believe it whether it is right or wrong and some woman - not all, not the majority - will use this.

A 2004 thread????

sorry didn't notice that it was an old thread and unsure how to delete it lol :)