Nanny pay when you go over on her holiday allowance

[bippityboppityboo22]

Asking on behalf of friend -
If you go away on holiday for more weeks per year than your nanny has as her holiday allowance, do you pay her in full for those extra weeks? Or do you agree a reduced rate?

@PearlJamButties

No we always had 2 weeks of our choice and 2 weeks of Nanny's choice.

Any extra time that we were away, we would discuss a few light chores that she never got around to doing with 3 kids underfoot, and as long as they were done the extra time was her own. Normally she would be itching to blitz the nursery or wardrobes, or sort out uniforms for next year etc.

So she might come in for a couple of full days in a week or a few hours each day.

I dislike this method as well. Parents who can't bear to see their nanny have any free time unpaid (due to their own doing) so fill the time with often petty mundane chores.

I've been so lucky to have families that appreciate the work I do and have always given me the extra time off as a 'job perk'.

Your nanny may say to you that she's happy to get through all the extra chores but believe me, it's talked about in nanny groups.

@MolyHolyGuacamole don't speak for all nannies 😂 I really don't mind coming in for a few hours a day whilst the family is away if I get to crack on with child related tasks that are in my contract without kids under my feet. When parents start writing lists to jobs that include things like... Mow the lawn, clean the windows, do a tip run (I've defo been asked to do all of those and said no 😂) then it takes the piss but child related things like getting the uniforms named for the new school year, having a toy clear out etc is fine by me.

OP - your friend is taking the piss and I feel really sorry for the nanny. Firstly that she's being paid under the table and secondly that your friend is only planning on laying half her wage.... Are the nanny's bills going to be half price for those 2 weeks? 😂

This is very similar!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/thirty_days_only/4284639-I-m-a-nanny-expectation-on-holiday-pay

[quote Howshouldibehave]This is very similar!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/thirty_days_only/4284639-I-m-a-nanny-expectation-on-holiday-pay[/quote]
Aw damn it's been deleted! Maybe it was related

Aren't nannies entitled to 5.6 weeks a year paid holiday, I thought every employee was.

@ancientgran

Aren't nannies entitled to 5.6 weeks a year paid holiday, I thought every employee was.

@ancientgran yes, but bank holidays are subtracted from the allowance and the remaining time is split between the family and the nanny to choose the dates. So if a nanny works M-F, they have 28 days minus bank holidays which leaves 20 days, nanny can choose 10 days as her holiday and the family chooses the other 10 days.

It tends to be stated in weeks as that's typically how holidays are booked, so 1 week equals 5 working days, hence stating 4 weeks (20 days)

@MolyHolyGuacamole Your nanny may say to you that she's happy to get through all the extra chores but believe me, it's talked about in nanny groups.

Clearly if an employer wants to take extra leave the nanny needs to be paid at full rate. And if they're making up rubbish jobs, that's petty. But the pp talked about a few days in a week of jobs like sorting clothes and uniform - which may seem mundane to you, but are still child related, need to be done, can be managed flexibly, and leave you with 3 or so extra paid days of leave out of five. Unless your employer is otherwise taking the piss with late finishes etc, or they're expecting you to do things outside your role like cleaning / shopping/ adult laundry then it's hardly a bad deal.

Thanks MolyHolyGuacamole, when people were saying 2 weeks plus 2 weeks I thought they were just getting 4 weeks.

As others have said, she needs to be paid in full. We have a nanny and choose 8 days each (she is PT). It is annoying really as it means we will probably pay her for two full weeks when she is not working this year.

[quote OverTheRubicon]**@MolyHolyGuacamole* Your nanny may say to you that she's happy to get through all the extra chores but believe me, it's talked about in nanny groups.*

Clearly if an employer wants to take extra leave the nanny needs to be paid at full rate. And if they're making up rubbish jobs, that's petty. But the pp talked about a few days in a week of jobs like sorting clothes and uniform - which may seem mundane to you, but are still child related, need to be done, can be managed flexibly, and leave you with 3 or so extra paid days of leave out of five. Unless your employer is otherwise taking the piss with late finishes etc, or they're expecting you to do things outside your role like cleaning / shopping/ adult laundry then it's hardly a bad deal.[/quote]
It makes sense in theory, but I've never been asked to do that, I've always been 'gifted' the extra holiday. The only nannies I know who have been asked to still come in to do work-related tasks while the family lies in the sun (thankfully not many) worked for petty and problematic families.

That's fine if there are some happy to do it 🥇🥇🥇 but if a family will be petty with some extra days off, chances are they're all-round petty.

@Housereno

As others have said, she needs to be paid in full. We have a nanny and choose 8 days each (she is PT). It is annoying really as it means we will probably pay her for two full weeks when she is not working this year.

Why is that as you're choosing your days according to how much she is entitled to?

@MolyHolyGuacamole why is what? Why is it annoying? Or why will we want two other weeks off? Her holiday year is 1 june - 31 may and we have picked end of sept (haven’t had a week off since last year), and end of november (the anniversary of our daughter’s death). She has picked a week in July. We will want to have time off between Jan and June next year so will have to pay her for that time.

[quote Housereno]@MolyHolyGuacamole why is what? Why is it annoying? Or why will we want two other weeks off? Her holiday year is 1 june - 31 may and we have picked end of sept (haven’t had a week off since last year), and end of november (the anniversary of our daughter’s death). She has picked a week in July. We will want to have time off between Jan and June next year so will have to pay her for that time.[/quote]
I didn't understand how you'd be giving an extra 2 weeks which is why I asked. In future it's easier to have nanny's holiday year run form jan-dec, and if someone started part way though they just get their entitlement pro-rata for the rest of the year. I assume that's when yours run, hence the overlap.