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What would you do?

13 replies

CandyLeBonBon · 12/04/2021 23:50

I've been separated/divorced for a decade.

Surface pleasantries with exh but it's an effort on both sides.

I have our 3 (now 19, 16 and 12) pretty much all the time (always have - his choice to leave majority of parenting with me) and when lockdown isn't a thing, he will spend 36 hours a fortnight on average with them (forgive the pedantry, but I worked it out / and that's his much time he chooses, including a week in the summer). This is relevant to my query I think.

Dd (youngest) is very concerned that exH is using a lot of casually racist language when they are with him. My elder boys then seem to use this as perceived 'permission' to use similar language in a way that they don't (or which is at least moderated and discussed) at home. When she says 'that really makes me feel uncomfortable, please can you stop?' He his gf double down on the language and (according to her accounts) go out of their way to flex the fact that they can say what they like.

Dd is sad on two counts: her dad's obvious bigotry (I witnessed and was subjected to his family's racism and horribly intolerant attitudes - his family is - by his own admission - toxic, it's just that he has always chosen to turn a blind eye to) and also that, when she expresses discomfort, he, his gf and my boys appear to delight in goading her more. The boys I can deal with.

I was subjected to this stuff myself, growing up, and when married,

I've spoken to one of my boys (16 y/o) who just huffily admitted that yes, he did say stuff but 'he didn't mean anything' and I have been very clear that this is not acceptable.

I want to do right by my dd (and all my kids actually) but I also know that going in, all guns blazing, is not the right thing to do.

Am I wrong to expect that, for 36 hours every two weeks, he can rein in his ingrained racism (he's not unaware, he just thinks the words he uses aren't racist and that he should be allowed to 'say stuff in his own home').

For context, I've been on MN for a really long time and I know how threads like these can appear, but this is a genuine question.

I want to somehow raise the subject with my ex in a way that doesn't immediately result in an argument or an automatics 'BUT I DON'T DO THAT/oh here we go, Candy's complaining again' etc.'

Technically they don't have to see him at this age, if they don't want to, but I've always encouraged it. He hasn't seen them for 6 months because of Covid and this was only their 2nd weekend with him since October.

Eldest is 19, autistic and adhd. Just for context as to why he still chooses to visit.

Sorry for the essay, I could just really do with some perspective and possibly a stern talking to , if I just need to back off a bit.

I actually really don't know quite how to approach this. Helpful objectivity would be really welcome

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BluebellsGreenbells · 12/04/2021 23:56

Keep all conversation to

DD was unhappy when
DD doesn’t like it when
DD would prefer it if
If DD isn’t happy she’s unlikely to visit

That way it’s you stocking up for her and being her voice

RickiTarr · 12/04/2021 23:59

Mediation?

I suspect you’ve got your work cut out with someone like that TBH. So maybe a neutral third party would help?

CandyLeBonBon · 13/04/2021 00:05

@RickiTarr

Mediation?

I suspect you’ve got your work cut out with someone like that TBH. So maybe a neutral third party would help?

We had mediation during the separation/financials process. It's a possibility but not one he'll want to pay for. He already resents paying 'me'.
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CandyLeBonBon · 13/04/2021 00:06

@BluebellsGreenbells

Keep all conversation to

DD was unhappy when
DD doesn’t like it when
DD would prefer it if
If DD isn’t happy she’s unlikely to visit

That way it’s you stocking up for her and being her voice

Yes. I think it's very hard being the youngest. She feels very unheard. He treats her quite differently to the boys. T
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RickiTarr · 13/04/2021 00:11

He sounds a bloody nightmare. Sorry, that’s not constructive but you have my sympathies.

I do think though that it’s reasonable - in the circumstances - to let your DD know that over elevens are largely allowed to choose their own patterns of contact with their parents. Empower her a bit without telling her what to do (?)

Saltyslug · 13/04/2021 08:53

Don’t bother trying to educate your ex, just educate your kids. Watch programmes about racism with them, talk to them about hitler, slave trade etc. Help them understand the law around hate crimes and protected characteristics

Saltyslug · 13/04/2021 08:57

Does she want to see him?

Telling him DD feels unheard or upset is important

Persipan · 13/04/2021 09:41

He's not going to stop doing it. He knows she didn't like it and is choosing to do it anyway. Focus on ensuring your elder children recognise why it's not okay to do this, and on supporting her.

CandyLeBonBon · 13/04/2021 09:42

@Saltyslug

Does she want to see him?

Telling him DD feels unheard or upset is important

She does but she gets very upset if he carries on doing/saying stuff after she's said it upsets her. I've told her she has a choice and that consistently continuing with behaviour that you know upsets someone, is unkind, and disrespectful.
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CandyLeBonBon · 13/04/2021 09:43

@Persipan

He's not going to stop doing it. He knows she didn't like it and is choosing to do it anyway. Focus on ensuring your elder children recognise why it's not okay to do this, and on supporting her.
Yes. I do that. They seem to view it as a green light to join in which is not ok.

I have spoken to them about it. That they need to advocate for each other

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CandyLeBonBon · 14/04/2021 22:55

As an update, we've all talked (kids and me) and they've said that they'd prefer just to Day visits rather than overnights for now and have agreed that when exH asks why, I can cite collective discomfort at his racist language.

I don't mind taking the hit. They just really hate his 1980's attitude and have decided they'd rather send a collective message and talk with their feet.

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RickiTarr · 15/04/2021 00:23

Good that they’re sticking together.

BunnyRuddington · 15/04/2021 09:32

That sounds like a very sensible solution. I hope he thinks it through, although it sounds as if he probably isn't interested in changing.

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