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Recently switched DS to non-dairy milk

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crispychicken12 · 26/03/2021 10:40

Hi,

I posted recently about my son having a really bad eczema rash around his mouth and chin, which was spreading to his cheeks and breaking and weeping.

Following advice from lovey mumsnetters ive decided to switch DS onto soya milk (attached a pic) he drank it as normal, I was worried he'd refuse.

Do I need to be giving him any additional vitimans? I haven't cut out all dairy, he has minimal amounts of cheese and butter.

Is there anything I should be giving him to ensure that he's not missing anything?

Tia xxx

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Thatwentbadly · 26/03/2021 12:14

How old is he? Which brand are you giving him?

crispychicken12 · 26/03/2021 12:25

He's 18 months, sorry I thought the picture was attached! It should be attached now

Recently switched DS to non-dairy milk
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Ihaveoflate · 26/03/2021 12:58

All toddlers that age should be on a vitamin supplement anyway (we use Wellbaby because it also contains iron).

Just be aware that come children with a dairy intolerance are also intolerant to soya. This is true for my daughter so she has oat milk instead.

The soya milk usually recommended for toddlers is Alpro Growing Up soya milk because it is fortified.

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Poppy709 · 26/03/2021 13:35

If you think he's intolerant to dairy I wouldn't give him cheese and butter - these are really high on the milk ladder, I would cut it completely for 3 weeks. Like others have said lots of dairy intolerant children also can't tolerate soya, my dietician recommended oatly barista once my baby is one.

tuliprosedaffodil · 26/03/2021 13:41

Isn't soya milk not recommended for little boys at all? Something to do with it affecting their fertility in later life? Hang on I'll see if I can find out.

tuliprosedaffodil · 26/03/2021 13:47

That's what I meant. I thought our HV had said no soya milk for boys when we were looking into intolerances. It contains high levels of oestrogen. This is a US study from 2018. It doesn't say don't do it, but it does say more research is needed and interestingly more effects in girls than boys:

The study was funded and led by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), part of the National Institutes of Health. The first author is Margaret A. Adgent, MSPH, PhD, formerly of NIEHS, now at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Adgent said, "Modern soy formula has been used safely for decades. However, our observational study found subtle effects in estrogen-responsive tissues in soy-fed infants, and we don't know if these differences are associated with long-term health effects."
Some mothers who don't breastfeed have long used soy formula as an alternative to cow-milk formula, often from concerns about milk allergies, lactose intolerance, or other feeding difficulties. However, soy protein contains high amounts of genistein, an estrogen-like compound. Like other estrogen-mimicking chemicals found in the environment, genistein can alter the body's endocrine system and potentially interfere with normal hormonal development. In laboratory studies genistein causes abnormal reproductive development and function in rodents, but little is known about its effects on infants.
The current study investigated the postnatal development of estrogen-responsive tissues, along with specific hormone levels, according to infant feeding practices. The researchers particularly compared infants fed with soy formula to those fed with cow-milk formula and breastfed infants.
Of 410 infant-mother pairs enrolled, 283 pairs completed the study. Of those, 102 infants exclusively fed on soy formula, 111 on cow-milk formula, and 70 on breast milk. "This was an observational study, not a randomized trial," said Stallings. "All of the mothers had decided on their feeding preferences before we enrolled them in the study."
Approximately half of the babies were girls, and 70 percent of the infants were African American. They were born in eight Philadelphia-area hospitals between 2010 and 2013, and enrolled in the Infant Feeding and Early Development (IFED) Study.
All of the infants were evaluated at CHOP, where researchers repeatedly performed measurements up to age 28 weeks in the boys and age 36 weeks in the girls. The study team assessed three sets of outcomes: a maturational index (MI) based on epithelial cells from the children's urogenital tissue; ultrasound measurements of uterine, ovarian and testicular volume, as well as breast-buds; and hormone concentrations seen in blood tests.
"The main differences we found related to different feeding preferences were among the girls," said Stallings. Compared to girls fed cow-milk formula, those fed soy formula had developmental trajectories consistent with responses to estrogen exposure. Vaginal cell MI was higher and uterine volume decreased more slowly in soy-fed girls, both of which suggest estrogen-like responses. The study team found similar patterns in differences between soy-fed girls and breastfed girls.
"We don't know whether the effects we found have long-term consequences for health and development, but the question merits further study," said Stallings. In addition to replication studies by other researchers, she added that ideally the children in this cohort should be followed later into childhood and adolescence.

FTEngineerM · 26/03/2021 13:50

We use oatly barista 🙋🏽‍♀️ It’s creamy as heck, great milk alternative. DS is soy&dairy intolerant.

There are questions over adult males also having lots of soya, now that plant based alternatives are getting huge there’s hopefully some decent research going into it.

namechangemarch21 · 26/03/2021 13:51

Honestly OP I'd seek advice before doing this. My toddler has a dairy allergy, the dietician we saw recommended oat milk (specifically oatly barista brand) as being the 'closest' in terms of fat content, being fortified, etc etc. All the non-dairy milks are wildly different from each other, they don't naturally look anything like milk so it all depends on what they've added - some have calcium etc but some brands don't. We also had a detailed conversation about rest of diet and how to ensure correct intake.

I also think if its an intolerance you want supervision rather than just removing it, and with dairy, I'd be removing the minimum amount needed to remove the reaction. Our goal has been to slowly increase the amount of dairy in her diet because if she doesn't have it for a long time then its introduced there's. a higher risk of anaphylactic reaction. Now I doubt this would happen in your case but I do think tis worth getting proper advise from someone qualified, ideally a dietitian. 18 months is still very young.

Ferrylooper · 26/03/2021 13:52

Depending how much of non dairy milk he’s having a day, you might have to supplement his calcium intake. If he’s having a varied diet with plenty of fish, fruit and veg it should be needed at this age. Worth checking with a dietitian, they would be able to work out of what he’s having in terms of calcium is enough.

trevthecat · 26/03/2021 13:54

If you think there is an intolerance you should cut all dairy for 3 weeks or so to see if it improves. Absolutely no point changing his milk but giving other dairy products

INeedNewShoes · 26/03/2021 13:57

Assuming you haven’t already done so, I would do some reading into soya milk.

It is no longer considered to be an appropriate replacement milk for young children due to the affect on hormones of high consumption.

Like pp, DD’s dietician recommends oat milk as replacement milk for dairy allergy. I do give DD soya yoghurt as it is naturally rich in protein but I’d steer clear of giving your DC bottles/cups of the milk.

Thatwentbadly · 26/03/2021 14:31

There is cow milk protein allergy where you are allergic to the protein in the milk and lactose intolerance when you don’t have any or enough of the enezyme needed to break down lactose which is the sugar in all mammal milk. Lactose intolerance is incredible rare in children but often develops in older adults. The result of lactose intolerance are digestive issues. If you suspect CMPA then he needs to go completely dairy free for about 6 weeks. Like a PP said cheese and yoghurt are very high up the milk ladder and contain lots of cow milk protein so this would need to be cut too. Over half of all children with CMPA are also allergic to soya milk is not a good switch for this t

Thatwentbadly · 26/03/2021 14:31

Posted to soon...

BergamotMouse · 26/03/2021 14:34

I'd seek medical advice before doing this.

My some has CMPA and it's often also linked to soya allergy.

My son has oatly Barista. High fat content and importantly contains iodine. I see yours does too.

Thatwentbadly · 26/03/2021 14:37

... soya milk is not a good option for this reason. If he does have CMPA then you can try him on soya milk and see if he reacts.

Overall he needs to be having 350mg of calcium a day, this can be from an alternative milk and other fortified food eg cereal, bread, ready brek and vegan Horlicks are all good sources. The alternative milk should contain iodine - Oatley barista and Asda own oat milk do but Oatley is higher in fat so it’s a better choice. If you are able to and happy to give oat milk then so does alpro growing up milk.

All children who are between 6 months and 6 years who have less than 17oz of formula a day should be taking a multivitamin.

There is a lot to get your head around. If you need any more information I’m happy for you to DM me.

withmycoffee · 26/03/2021 14:49

My 3rd child never drank milk. She didn't like it. Breast and formula fed until around 1 and then that was it. Not really any yoghurt either. She died like ice cream GrinShe's strong and has no growth issues. Very sporty 14 year old.

crispychicken12 · 26/03/2021 19:15

Hi,

Thank you so much for the replies.

I've switched DS back onto regular milk until
I can get advice from HV on Monday, he'd only had one bottle of soya milk so I'm hoping I've done no harm cos I feel absolutely terrible at the moment.

The pharmacist suggested it could be the lactic acid in the milk hurting his face and causes the reaction, which was why we thought of switching. But after researching, this isn't the best option.

He's on steroid cream but it doesn't seem to help.

Doctor just says it's eczema and provides steroid cream and epaderm which make no diffrrence

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tuliprosedaffodil · 26/03/2021 19:25

One bottle will have done no harm whatsoever unless he has an allergy to soya and you'd probably know by now if he did (as in he'd have reacted). Don't feel bad, you're doing your best and parenting is all about learning.

Can you get a referral from your GP? Sounds like he needs to be checked by someone that specialises in allergies and intolerances.

tuliprosedaffodil · 26/03/2021 19:27

Oh and eczema can be just eczema. It's not always linked to diet. Both of my two have it and so do I and we're allergic and intolerant to precisely nothing. It's in our family. You can become intolerant to things so it's possible, definitely but sometimes you can also be just prone to it.

FTEngineerM · 26/03/2021 19:28

@crispychicken12 my DSs face used to be red hot and leak clear fluid, GP kept prescribing steroid and on the 6th time I didn’t even pick up the prescription I was so fed up.

Cut dairy and switched to hydrolysed formula (he’s 9m) and it cleared in 2 days!!!! Two bloody days.

Try not to feel terrible it’s a mine field and your obviously trying your absolute best to figure this out. Have you thought about the oatly barista a few of us have mentioned? It really is nutritionally ok and tastes great.

INeedNewShoes · 27/03/2021 10:53

You really don't need to worry about one bottle OP! Don't beat yourself up. It's only fairly recently that paediatricians have changed their mind on soya being a good dairy replacement.

Oh and eczema can be just eczema

This in spades! Be wary of making major dietary changes without being under the care of an allergy clinic and having tests.

A GP told my DM that I must have a dairy allergy as I had eczema and was told to remove dairy from my diet. I was brought up on soya replacements.

I had 3 periods a month from the age of 11 and polycystic ovaries from a similar age, possibly due to the oestregen affect of soya. I also have a raging sweet tooth, probably because a primary ingredient in soya formula in the 80s was sugar. I also turned out to have an intolerance to soya and when I stopped eating soya I no longer had to put up with the skin inside my mouth peeling off constantly. I also have osteopenia (thin bone density) and have had 5 fractured bones so far in my life, maybe because the calcium from dairy wasn't adequately replaced in my diet.

All of that may have nothing to do with my soya intake / lack of dairy but it makes me very wary of it. I also turned out to not have a dairy allergy so it was all in vain and on the whim of one GP.

DD has a mild dairy allergy but I am careful to vary her replacements. I don't avoid soya altogether but it makes me wince when I hear a child has had soya formula only from a young age. DD drinks oat milk and coconut milk and eats soya or coconut yoghurt. She eats Ready Brek as its very well fortified and we have leafy greens/broccoli every day for calcium as well as sardines regularly.

Ferrylooper · 27/03/2021 12:59

Don’t feel bad, one bottle or even a few are not going to make any difference. It’s good to get a proper advice, could you ask GP for a dietitian referral? We were told that to try it properly, we would have to remove all the dairy from the diet and that means reading all the labels and being really strict about it. It’s in things you would not expect it to be and really hard especially if you have other children who can happily munch on cheese strings and whipped cream while their sibling can’t.

BingBongToTheMoon · 27/03/2021 13:04

He shouldn’t be on bottles at his age.
not the point of the thread, I know.

iusedtohavechickens · 27/03/2021 13:08

My little girl is dairy free and we give her sma soya milk. I also looked after a little boy who would get bad eczema when he had any dairy. We used alpro soya growing up milk. It has added vitamins in it and he was taking multi bits too x

somethingischasingme · 27/03/2021 13:11

Dd had cmp and was on soya formula as a milk substitute but she was also bf until 2. Grew out of it by about the age of 4. Ds is lactose intolerant and he has lactose free milk - but we didn't find out until he was 8! So didn't try different formulas with him!

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