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How worried should I be about DD8?

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Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 12:36

Hello everyone, I hope you might be able to help. I've got to the stage where I really need advice about my DD. She's just turned 8. Essentially, what it boils down to is that she's clumsy, struggles to concentrate on certain things, has trouble keeping friends, is secretive, and doesn't seem to know who she really is. Is this what 8 is like? Or should I be considering talking to a professional about strategies to help her?

This will be long, but I'm going to try to get down some stuff that I think is relevant.

For background, we live in a European country where the language is not our home language. We came when she was 5, and she had a rough start - spending a few months at kindergarten then on to a local school where she struggled to make real friends. We recently moved her to a bilingual school, where I thought she would find life easier. But no, she seems to have a friend for a couple of weeks, and then lose interest in them (or they in her? I don't know). So no apparent problem making them, but she struggles to keep them. What's really prompted me to write was something she revealed last night, having kept it to herself for months. She told us, at the dinner table, that the reason she fallen out with a girl at her old school was because, while playing, she had accidentally pushed another child over, and hurt her. And it's true that she's extremely clumsy - we joke that she can fall over from standing (but it's not really that funny), she knocks things over and spills things all the time, and doesn't seem to see the consequences of her physical actions. She's really kind though, and I really don't think would ever hurt another child on purpose.

She speaks the local language fine now, although it took her a long time to pick it up, despite her time at the local school and in kindergarten. She is now schooled in two languages, partly because I hoped she would excel in English, which would give her more confidence. And although her English (read and spoken) is way better than her classmates', she still refuses to properly engage in class, saying she's worried that her superior English skills will make the other children feel bad. I don't know what to think about this.

She's been homeschooling now for 6 weeks, which has given me more of an insight into her education than any mother should have! They've had livestream from the classroom every day from 8 till 3, which hasn't been very easy (for any of them, I'm sure). She has needed my support a LOT, is extremely disorganised, panics and cries about once a day because she's not following, it's been a nightmare. And I've seen that her work is incredibly erratic - sometimes great, sometimes a total mess. She's had to redo a lot of it, which obviously distresses her.

She CAN concentrate. She's got a piece of cross-stitch on the go at the moment, and will sit sewing for at least an hour. She's learning the piano, is practising and getting better. She's great at colouring and drawing. But oh god, if it's something she finds hard or isn't interested in, her attention span is non-existent. You can be talking to her and she just drifts away, I can see it happening. And I think it is why she was so slow to pick up the local language - she just wasn't "present" in the environment half the time, so wasn't absorbing anything. It's all affecting her confidence, I think. A recent school report wasn't that great. But the thing is, she's very quick on the uptake if she's paying attention. I've had to help her a lot with Maths recently, and if you ensure she's listening while you're telling her, she gets it really quick, and is able to apply it. But obviously her teachers don't have time to repeatedly say her name while they're explaining it, to make sure she's focussing!

Fuck, what shall I do about her? She seems so unhappy and honestly crushed a lot of the time. I love her so much, she's such a kind, helpful and lovely girl, but I feel like I'm not doing my best by her at the moment, and I want to help her to find life a bit easier. Any thoughts would be really helpful. Apologies for the essay!!

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jendifer · 20/02/2021 12:39

Are her hearing and eyesight okay?

What was she like as a baby?

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 12:57

Hi, yes, good point: both are fine. They have a system of regular tests here, which are up to date. One of them, a couple of years ago, flagged up a possible hearing issue, so we took her to a specialist. He said, and I quote “there’s nothing wrong with her ears”! No eye problems.

As a baby, she always seemed very independent, which is silly I know! I used to say that she wasn’t really interested in me, she was always looking at what else was going on, aching to go out into the world. Until she was about 6 months, she rarely smiled. I remember this because my friends would lean over her pram and make faces etc, but she wasn’t having any of it. She could smile, she just chose not to!

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Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 17:58

Just bumping in case there’s anyone else who might be able to help!

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WorryingMum2029 · 20/02/2021 18:01

Please look carefully into inattentive ADHD and do not let your daughter be failed like I was.

One of the things you mention sounds like hyper focus - something that catches your attention or you enjoy you can spend hours doing it but something boring (not providing you with any dopamine) and you just can’t concentrate at all.

There are tests online you can answer about her to give you a good idea if she has it.

Callingallskeletons · 20/02/2021 18:04

Look closely at Dyspraxia OP (and possibly ADHD/Aspergers) as she sounds incredibly like my DB (who is diagnosed with all 3) and was very like this as a child (and not far from it now tbh)

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 20/02/2021 18:09

I would definitely suggest seeing a child psychologist (or two or three) just for peace of mind. Even if there is nothing to be diagnosed, they could have a few helpful strategies!

Vintagegoth · 20/02/2021 18:25

She sounds a lot like my DD1. These issues came to a head when she turned 8, but school downplayed it. She is now 10 and with her class teacher's support has an appointment with a child psychologist with a view to an ADHD diagnosis. We have wasted the last 2 years not wanting to "label" her and hoped that a lot of her issues were just her age and she would grow out of it. Hopefully she will soon get the support she needs.

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 18:27

@WorryingMum2029 thank you, I will look into hyper focus. Previously I have ruled out ADHD because as I said, she CAN concentrate on things, but won’t some of the time. But now I understand that can be a symptom. I won’t let her down! I’ve done a couple of online tests, but haven’t had much joy, perhaps because she’s not classically symptomatic. Do you know one to recommend?

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Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 18:30

@Callingallskeletons when she was smaller I suspected dyspraxia, but I should look more into it. I’m veering now towards ADHD, but I hadn’t considered a combination of the two (or more). Thank you, I appreciate it.

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Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 18:32

@UpToMyElbowsInDiapers I have a recommendation for a child psychologist which I will definitely follow up. And yes, it’s strategies I’m looking for, to help her organise her brain and just feel a bit more comfortable in herself, you know?

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Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 18:34

@Vintagegoth Wishing you all the luck. My husband was initially quite unwilling to admit there might be anything “wrong” with DD, but I think it’s so important to know, the only way to help really.

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WorryingMum2029 · 20/02/2021 18:45

www.additudemag.com/add-inattentive-adhd-symptom-test-adults/

This may be the one you’ve already done and possibly there are some things that maybe would present more in an adult simply because they don’t have parents doing things for them anymore eg remembering appointments isn’t something you’d expect a child to do. The main things are being disorganised, struggling to maintain concentration unless it’s something you’re REALLY interested in, being forgetful etc.

ADHD is just so often missed in girls because people are looking for that hyper boy. My youngest daughter is so like me so as soon as I think her ‘tendencies’ are starting to become an issue I’ll be taking her to be assessed.

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 18:50

ADHD is just so often missed in girls because people are looking for that hyper boy.
YES! DD isn’t hyperactive at all. If anything, she’s too laid back. So I genuinely hadn’t considered it until I saw her in her online classes struggling to focus. And then I realised she was like that in other ways too. Didn’t it used to be called two different things - ADD and ??? That seems like a less misleading name to me- attention deficit disorder.

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LucyMaxwellDM · 20/02/2021 18:55

Sounds like my daughter and I’m certain she has inattentive ADD. Unfortunately as she isn’t disruptive in school, CAHMS won’t see her.

Tal45 · 20/02/2021 19:00

ASD, ADD (as she doesn't sound hyperactive) and dyspraxia all sprang to mind, all are linked. Mine has aspergers and dyspraxia, work is certainly very messy. Have a look at proprioception, sounds like she might have issues with this. x

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 19:04

@LucyMaxwellDM that sounds extremely frustrating. I have to say, this isn’t the only time in the last 3 years that I’ve been grateful to live in a country with a health system that I describe as “prophylactic”. They seem geared towards nipping problems in the bud, so they don’t have to shell out on dealing with them later. I’m pretty sure our paediatrician will refer to a child psych without much fuss. But we’ll see.

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WorryingMum2029 · 20/02/2021 19:06

ADD/Inattentive ADHD I think are one and the same.

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 19:08

@Tal45 it’s interesting what you say about the messy work. DD recently had to redo a chunk of maths, which was all correct, but a horrible scrawly mess. When she redid it with me, it was beautiful. And she very quickly learnt, at her new school, to do a lovely cursive (she was extremely motivated about this). Again, her writing is sometimes truly beautiful, sometimes a ridiculous mess. So she can, just sometimes she doesn’t! Confusing for a parent.

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Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 19:09

I’ll also look at proprioception. I’ve never heard of this. Thank you.

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Crackerofdoom · 20/02/2021 19:10

Hi OP,
This may not be the case for you of course, but on the "zoning out" thing, we did the same as you, moved to Austria and put DS in a kindergarten to pick up the language. After 3 months they called in an assessor because they said he had these absences which they thought were a sign of Autism.

The assessor was great. She said it is really normal for kids who have done language immersion. At the beginning, teachers will talk to them in English when they need their attention and the rest of the time they zone out because anything in the other language won't be for them.

This becomes a habit which they then do no matter what the language. If something isn't actively engaging them, they zone out. It isnt rude or naughty, they have just got used to going into their own headspace a lot more than other kids.

Crackerofdoom · 20/02/2021 19:18

And regarding the bit about her reports, don't worry about them. She is navigating a world twice as complex as most kids. Living in a bilingual world is hard work and even when they seem fluent, it is still harder for them.

Online school has really worked for some kids and been a total disaster for others. She is doing her best and if it is distressing her that much, speak to her teacher. Learning shouldn't be distressing for children. She clearly needs a bit more support so ask the school what you and they can do to help her. Don't be afraid to advocate for her and trust your instincts. Depending in which country you are in, access to services like educational assessment and therapies may be far easier than in the UK and it worked wonders for our DS.

I think it is a mum's lot to feel constant guilt and failure. You are doing your best during a global pandemic. Try and give yourself a break

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 19:28

@Crackerofdoom that’s such a kind message, thank you, really. We all need to cut ourselves some slack, you’re right.

It’s really interesting what you say about your DS’s assessment. There wasn’t really anyone at DD’s kindergarten who spoke to her in English. But I did feel at the time that the zoning out was her way of dealing with what must have been an incredibly confusing time. Her younger brother, OTOH, was very unhappy at first, but has made much quicker progress, I think partly because he really felt it. Perhaps it has turned into a habit for dealing with uncomfortable or boring situations. In any case, it needs addressing, I think.

The bilingual school was supposed to make things easier for her, but I can’t help thinking it’s made it more difficult! Twice the expectation, as it turns out. Hey ho.

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Lindy2 · 20/02/2021 19:36

She sounds a lot like my DD who is diagnosed with ADHD.

Awomanwalksintoabar · 20/02/2021 19:56

@Lindy2 do you mind saying in what ways they sound similar?

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Lindy2 · 20/02/2021 22:22

The lack of focus is one of the main problems for my daughter. A feature of ADHD is the ability to hyperfocus on something that interests them, to the point they are oblivious to everything around them. However, if the subject isn't of interest then concentration is practically impossible. My DD just glazes over even though she is intelligent enough to understand if she could just take in what was being taught.

My DD also struggles to keep friends - although this is thankfully improving as she gets older. She has very little empathy and can't read the mood of other people at all well. She can be having fun but can be oblivious to the fact that what she's doing is upsetting others.

She is also quite clumsy due to the fact she doesn't think ahead with her actions. It is difficult for her to risk assess because everything she does is just in that moment with no forward thinking.

Disorganisation and being overly emotional are often part of the ADHD package.

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