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Cranial Osteopathy - advice please

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Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 09/01/2021 22:11

My ten week old has been impossible to settle since day 1. She's on neocate formula for cmpa and gaviscon for reflux. It feels like we've exhausted so many avenues to try and settle her, and a couple of people have mentioned cranial osteopathy to me. I asked the HV about it but all she said was they couldn't officially recommend anything like that. Does anyone have any experience of this type of therapy on unsettled babies - can you please explain in layman's terms what it is, how it benefits, any unwanted side effects etc? And would you recommend?! Thanks!

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ThornAmongstRoses · 11/01/2021 21:12

@ThornAmongstRoses how old was your DS when you took him to the Osteopath?

He was about 9 weeks.
It was a lactation consultant that recommended I go as she noticed my sons neck/spine alignment was off when she observed me breastfeeding him.

I had gone to her for advice with his feeding as he’d previously had a tongue tie (snipped at 9 days old) and when she observed me feed she said the problems were due to his inability to position his head correctly at the breast, not actually the mechanism of feeding.

The lactation consultant said the problems with his neck were probably also why he also seemed upset and uncomfortable and why he was crying so much - she said he was probably in a degree of pain.

She also said that problems with the neck are very common in c-section babies - which mine was.

The craniostepath I saw was amazing. She had done extra training on top of her qualification to work with babies and she was just wonderful.

If you are in the Leicestershire area I’m more than happy to pass on her details if it’s something you may be considering.

ThornAmongstRoses · 11/01/2021 21:19

My baby was CMPA too.

Somethingkindaoooo · 11/01/2021 21:28

My dd was about 10 weeks ( colic -y) when I took her to a cranial osteopath.

She had one session. The next session was cancelled, as the practitioner had a cold.
Didn't even need the second one though. It totally sorted out her colic.
Wish I would have taken her sooner
😊

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RandomMess · 11/01/2021 21:41

I can recommend one in Windsor or NW Surrey.

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 12/01/2021 00:48

Ah I'm not in those areas but thank you. I've found two that are within an hour of me (South East region) so contacting them tomorrow.

Dd hates getting dressed - she screams when we're putting a vest or anything else over her head, or getting her arms in to a coat etc. I wonder if it is linked, perhaps? She also has a strong tenancy to have her head on one particular side, I didn't really think much of it as my DS was the same (but he was very poorly, so we try not to draw comparisons between him and Dd as we don't know what parts of him were exacerbated by his health iyswim), but again I wonder if it's all related.

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ThornAmongstRoses · 12/01/2021 07:30

When I saw the cranio-osteopath (CO) she said that a lot of cases are picked up early in breast fed babies because parents will seek support in the first few months for feeding difficulties and most lactation consultants are away of how neck issues can affect feeding so can refer as appropriate.

When it comes to bottle fed children the CO told me that it tends not to be picked up until they’re 4+ years when parents start noticing their child has a tendency to hold their head in one position, or it’s slightly twisted towards one shoulder. She said although parents can notice it by just looking at the child, some notice it when they are looking at photos of the child and see the same kind of stance in every photo. It’s really interesting.

She said that the reason it’s so prevalent in section births (especially emergency ones) because the surgeons have to grab the baby by it’s head and twist it slightly to get the baby out which in turn can cause some minor damage to the neck muscles and tissues.

With my baby he couldn’t turn his head probably over his right shoulder which meant when I was breastfeeding him on the right side he couldn’t put his head in the right position to be face on to the breast so he couldn’t get an effective seal and therefore was dribbling milk out his mouth all the time during the feed - I had to have muslins and towels tucked down the side of me if I fed him on the right side.

After his very first session he fed perfectly after 9 weeks of having that problem. It was phenomenal.

I was so suspicious at first and though it was probably going to be a bit ‘woo’ but she was amazing and gave me really good explanations of what she was doing and why.

I’m sure you have, but just make sure the companies you are contacting are cranio-osteopaths, not just osteopaths, and also that they have done the extra training to work with babies.

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 12/01/2021 07:49

@ThornAmongstRoses that is so interesting!

Yes I will make sure I double check those things, thank you

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ThornAmongstRoses · 12/01/2021 08:10

She also gave me loads of information about the role of reflux in relation to tongue ties and how the work she does can really alleviate those symptoms too.

She really knew her stuff.

It was amazing to watch what she did to DS - it was like she was a witch doctor who put him into a trance. He was silent for the entire session, it was phenomenal. I was in complete awe of it.

The first session was an hour where she took a serials birth history and medical history and we spoke about the concerns I had. She told me she would examine him and if she thought it was something she could help with, she would, and if she felt it was something else then she’d tell me rather than charge me for a service that wouldn’t be of benefit. She examined him and identified the problem straight away with his neck. She said it would have been due to the section but also due to the tongue tie - she went into a very detailed explanation off how tongue tie can also affect the neck muscles.

The two subsequent sessions were about 40 minutes long.

I have recommended her to so many people and they’ve all praised her as nightly as I do.

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 12/01/2021 08:41

I'm so sad I don't live in your area now @ThornAmongstRoses 😁

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ThornAmongstRoses · 12/01/2021 08:54

Grin I’m sure they’re all as brilliant as each other Grin

Good luck and do update the thread to let us know how it goes. Fingers crossed it will help Flowers

MiddleOfThePack · 12/01/2021 09:02

Visited one when DS1 was about 6 months old. He was crying all the time and ashamed to say I'd got to the point where I was ready to do something drastic if it didn't stop.

Went to cranial osteopath on a friend's recommendation. He manipulated my son's diaphragm (told us after). Son took a deep breath. No more crying (apart from when he really was hungry of course).

Osteopath said that due to his rapid birth (I was lucky and had short labours with all 3), he had effectively taken a deep breath at the point of birth but then had not been able to release his diaphragm fully so was constantly under strain.

Made sense to me & worked so give it a try. Hope it helps?

HollyBollyBooBoo · 12/01/2021 10:37

Wow @MiddleOfThePack the poor little mite! What an amazing result.

Laquila · 12/01/2021 10:51

I took my eldest (EMCS) at about three months old - he only ever slept on his back but with his head on one side only, and his head was getting flat on that side. A friend had taken hers for the same thing and seen results, so it was a recommendation. The night of the first session there was no change, but the night after that he slept with his head on the other side for the first time ever - I was pretty amazed but it could just have been coincidence. He still has a slightly flat head on one side though - I think those bones had knit in place pretty early on! 😁

FWIW he also had a TT - bf was horrendous - that we had snipped at 7 weeks (after I ran myself ragged trying to get an NHS referral - it was not easy!). It didn't make an immediate difference but things did start to get better slowly after that, although it could have just been us both getting into the swing of bf.

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 22/01/2021 10:11

Update - baby has had two sessions with the CO. A few days after the first one, she started to sleep between her night feeds which was just amazing! However, she's been increasingly unsettled again since her second; last night we were up for most of the night with her again. And bizarrely, she hasn't tolerated being in her rocker since the second session. The CO recommended one more session, which will be next Thursday if we go ahead. We're dubious about the positive impact overall, although the benefit from session 1 took a few days to come through, so will see how the weekend goes before deciding whether to have it or not.

We also had a phone consultation with a feeding specialist re TT yesterday. Her opinion was that DD doesn't have a TT issue but has agreed to see her in clinic in a fortnight if nothing improves feeding wise between now and then.

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RandomMess · 22/01/2021 11:54

To be unsettled after isn't uncommon.

HollyBollyBooBoo · 22/01/2021 11:58

Completely common to be unsettled - think how your body reacts after physio or chiro. Fingers crossed for a good result!

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 22/01/2021 16:43

Good to know - and ties in with the lag between session and noticeable improvement last time. Suppose we weren't expecting such a step backwards after the second session. Having said that, she has been a bit more chilled again today so 🤞🤞

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RandomMess · 02/02/2021 18:41

How are things now?

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 02/02/2021 20:08

Improving! Feeding wise, she's now drinking better - bigger bottles with a bigger gap between them (both day and night). She's SO much more content in the day, and she is generally more settled in between feeds overnight. She isn't just lying with her head on one side any more, and is starting to nap without being on one of us. And we've started to settle into a decent routine, including putting her up to bed and having a couple of hours to ourselves of an evening. Just a game changer in terms of our sanity and relationship!

Thank you for checking in @RandomMess

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RandomMess · 02/02/2021 20:16

So so happy things are improving, worth every penny spent!

Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp · 02/02/2021 20:40

The only thing we can't seem to tackle is the 4.30/5am wake ups... She just can't be comforted back off to sleep in her bed so we either end up getting up with her (and she falls straight back asleep on us) or bring her into bed with us. Hopefully she'll grow out of this in due course!

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Mix56 · 05/02/2021 17:46

So glad you tried it .!

Grapesoda7 · 05/02/2021 17:54

I took my dd at 8 weeks. She cried constantly from birth and used to push her head back, she wouldn't lie on me comfortably.

I had a very fast birth with her, only 20 minutes of regular contractions and I think she wasn't squeezed enough.

She had 2 sessions and it really helped, she cried a lot lot less and stopped trying to push her head back.

Mishmased · 09/02/2021 19:21

@Needsleeeeepsendheeeelp that's good to hear there's been some improvement. I think we had a total of four sessions for my first and three sessions for my second. Hopefully she continues to improve 🤞🤞

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