Losing the plot with 2month + baby :((

[Peppery123]

Need some advice as HV has been absolutely useless..I no longer contact her as shes only ever seen us once! And for less than half an hour.

3rd baby and I feel like irs the first!! I cant be exaggerating but I cannot remember first two being like this....shes so difficult 😔

Basically from 6 weeks, she has been quite an irritable baby. Has improved but from turning 2 months noticed/dealing with a few things

• she hardly finishes her feeds. Has been formula fed since 6 weeks. So I thought her being 2 months she would be taking 4-5oz...shes only taking 2 or 3

We are constantly making up milks as she seems to feed little and often. She doesnt seem to like cold milk so we usually make a fresh batch if first has gone cold.

she is now 11 and a half weeks btw so almsost 3 months

• she will scream for awhile and refuse milk. She seems to just cry for no reason which I find odd as if its colic doesnt that usually go away by now and this has only happened in the last 3 weeks id say. She does finally settle face down mostly on partners chest...she hardly settles with me..i spend alot of time tending to 3 year old so maybe shes got used to partner?

i dread this as he will soon be working away so its going to be and the kids all alone

• doesnt seem to like going out? When my toddler was a baby, I was ALWAYS out and I.mean ALWAYS. Had a really good routine, we went somehwere different every day. Little walks, play areas..I also bf longer with her so have no idea how I did it. However this baby..i cant last longer than an hour outside with her.

She seems to wake up maybe from cold air then will just cry. Cry and scream to be held. But its undoable with toddler in tow or when im doing a big shop. H Just horrible ..i hardly go out with her now as Im so put off. Maybe cos this time I have a toddler sonits more difficult to go out with two youngens. Just feel like shes really unsettled and hard tonread her signals..with my 2 other dd I would just know if they were hungry , bored etc. With her its rly hard. She just moans then screams....really odd.

Any advice or can anyone relate? Thanks in advance

Oh god I could have written this myself! It's so hard and I really can relate. It looks like she became irritable when she was in formula? Have you tried a different milk, or spoken to your gp about possible cmpa? My DD is two months and was so unsettled on sma, she's now on neocate and is finally starting to take 100mls per feed (still feeding 8 times a day). Have you tried any remedies for reflux?

I cNt relate OP but maybe she has a milk allergy so she doesn't feel very well with the milk, which maybe why she doesn't drink much as she knows it will hurt her tummy?
Have you spoke with your GP about getting tests done and possibly change her milk?
Does she have plenty of wet nappies abs poops regularly?

I mentioned milk allergy to HV who dismissed it very quickly. Also 8 week check up, ran it by GP symmptoms of CMpa. He said spitting up, lots of wind, green poop. She doesnt have any of these. Oddly.
I remember at 6 weeks+ she was hard to wind so we used infacol which worked a treat and she was settled again . We have stopped using it but dont think she needs it as shes very mobile. Has held neck up since 7 weeks. Almost looks like shes going to crawl!
Dont get it. Seems like in pain.

My second ds was exactly like that. It was soul destroying. He screamed all day. I cpuldnt put him down. We had to leave restaurants because he would just scream so much I would get too frustrated and embarrassed and leave.
I have no advice because I tried everything and nothing really worked or stopped it. I did start adding coleif drops to his bottles. It made a slight difference but not much and I think I was just scared to stop using them incase he got even worse (not sure that could have been possible though). Sorry OP, I sympathise. I'm pregnant just now and absolutely dreading going through that again.

She sounds refluxy, not liking lying down, wanting to be held, hating being flat in the pram?
DS was the same, also reflux related and he had CMPA. it did settle as he got bigger.
He hated the pram but was good upright in a sling (as I could get out and about hands free) and once older much better in the pushchair sitting up.

Although if the infacol was working, why would you stop using it? She can't be that mobile at 3 months so I would go back to the Infacol since it worked before.

Sounds like my ds who had reflux and (later discovered) food intolerances. I carried him everywhere in a sling until 18 weeks.

Things improved once he was weaned and his food intolerances were worked out.

Thanks for responses. What age did it last for with your dcs? She will be 3 months next week so Im quite confused. Ive read/been told colic starts to disappear/stops 3-4 months but this has been relatively new so doesnt make sense?
Also, can you list the symptoms of cmpa/reflux because again checking on Google/on here she doesnt seem to have many of them.

Its odd becaude shes crying inncar seat, sling and pram!! So not sure if its laying down..i did think that at first but we noticed she was doing the same thing (after a while being there)

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

After another night of her just randomly waking up and screaming for alkost an hour with no consoling..now thinking of putting her on the infaocl again see if it makes a difference

I was also coming to suggest silent reflux, my LO had that and it’s v hard to get diagnosed as (unlike with typical reflux) they are not super sicky - but infant Gaviscon has worked wonders for us!

My daughter has CMPA and she didn't have any of the usual signs. She just cried an awful lot.
In my NCT group 50% of us have milk intolerant babies strangely. For two of the 3 of us, their intolerance only showed after they had their jabs (apparently it can make the intolerance more apparent).
I'd try and see if you can have Neonate formula and whether that helps. Ours only settled when we put her in the "tiger in the tree" or lying on me so it sounds like yours could be the same.
If so, weirdly, two of 3 of us have found our babies have also had rashes spear when we fed them puréed aubergine so watch out for that if you find your little one does have an intolerance

@HornbeamLane

Thanks so much for this info. The problem is because of the covid and lockdown its been so hard tonsee GP. ONly managed to see him during 8nweek check up which was so fast and felt rushed :(
I havent even had my 6 week check up. Feel so unsupported as if normal circumstances at least could pop in to baby clincis etc but atm everythinfs closed so feel so clueless.
I am going ro contact GP again via Askmygp.
Can I ask if your dc were just unsettled through thenday? As tbh i can't say she is, she is very smiley and likes playing during daylight. Only issues ive had is taking her out for a long period..thats when the crying happens..other than that shes been ok . So I don't know what to go off anymore.
Her night feed she will gulp down 4 ounces and go down in her cot fine so thats another thing I dont get? If it was cmpa wouldnt she only have a bit or cry after feeds etc?

A lot of babies with reflux gate car seats. 10 weeks old seems to be a bit of a flashpoint too for reflux kicking up a gear.

Do you have a sling? It might help with getting outside with her but keeping her upright.

It's certainly something like allergy or silent reflux.

My 3rd had silent reflux and neither the GP not HV would listen to me 🤦🏼‍♀️

It nearly broke us!!!

The only time mine didn't tell/scream was if she was held with pressure across her tummy or the 6/7 hours at night she passed out for - that was the only sleep she had in 24 hours 😳

Did I mention it was hell and I thought I was an utter failure?

@RandomMess

See thats interesting as she has a few naps during the day id say upto 45mins an hour at the most not sure if thats normal
Then at night shes mainly lying on partners chest until we go upto bed about 11ishpm she will sleep til 4am do again a good 5 hours.

On a positive, id love her to sleep for 7 hours straight though 😂
Ok maybe sklent reflux. What other symptoms guys? Just wanting a good case for when I contact GP.

Only other symptom was if she posseted it was always curdled, like instantly after a feed and stank.

She would wake up screaming and eventually bring up wind.

@RandomMess possetted?

When they bring back up a tiny bit of milk directly after a feed using with a burp. It looked more like cottage cheese than milk!

@RandomMess
Oh gosh yeah got ya. My dd doesnt do this at sll otherwise id have more reason to think itnwas reflux
I think shes only ever spit up a few times n its hardly anything.
Her cries are like shes in pain
Just have no clue to whats going on

Well that was the main symptom wit DD just crying/screaming clearly in pain 😢

My DS had what I think was silent reflux between 1-4 months. I would hold him upright for about 20 minutes after every feed to let the milk settle in his tummy, which seemed to help (but was exhausting on the night feeds!) Things started to slowly and naturally improve after 4 months and I think he’d completely grown out of it by around 5 months.

to you OP, it is so very tiring. But hang in there, it will get better!

@1jan2020

Thanks, so do you think ita worth just wating it out? Did you get any treatment for it at all or any input from GP/HV

My little one screamed and screamed for the first 9 months. He was very poorly at birth and had a lot of surgery in the first 20 weeks so I put it down to that, but honestly he was never happy. One day he came out in a rash, I was advised to just take him off dairy for a few days (was 10 months old by then) in case of gastroenteritis. Within 24 hours his poos where solid, he'd stopped constantly crying and he slept through the night for the first time! We assumed dairy allergy however it started again when put on dairy free formula.
When I weaned him off formula I tried to introduce cows milk and everything cleared up again. Anyway, we have since found that it's fish that disagrees with him... and fish oil is in all types of formula! Poor little thing has literally had an upset tummy for the first year of his life and I thought he was just pure misery!

@Peppery123
Strangely she generally became unsettled during the witching hours, she was fine in the mornings and early afternoons and also whilst feeding. All her symptoms were just those of a colicky baby. What we later found out though was that her poos were slightly more funny and had sort of like tiny seedy cous cous type bits in. After I stopped eating dairy her poo thickened up to Colman’s type paste but the difference wasn’t really huge unless you’ve seen a lot of baby poo, and even then it wasn’t very obvious at all.
What’s even more strange is that she seems to have it quite severely as I accidentally ate something with minute amounts of milk in about a month after diagnosis and all the crying and poos started again immediately.
I’d suggest maybe trying no dairy (and no soy as there’s a 50% likelihood of soya and dairy allergy) for at least two weeks and you should see a difference. I hope this helps x