Paper liners - what's the deal?

[MrsBadger]

We use bimbles - I like the way the fleece inner stays really dry.

Up till now we've used Junior Joy paper liners to catch and flush runny bf poo - if no poo they seemed to get a bit damp but most of the wee went straight through.

However we've just started on a roll of Ultra ones and they are so thick and absorbent they seem to be leaving dd soggy despite the fleece.

Is this just how it goes and I should go back to JJ, or am I doing something wrong with the Ultra ones? Is there a better brand I haven't encountered?
Or should I get over my desire to flush and go linerless ? (am v unconvinced re this)

Go linerless - embrace those rubber gloves and scrape the poo . Seriously though I found paper liners made dd's bum damp and caused nappy rash.

Go for linerless. Cheaper, less faff, less nappy rash.

how do the logistics work if linerless? (she's only 10wks, am still feeling my way)

eg dd on changing mat in pooey nappy
I remove nappy & wrap, set aside, wipe up dd, apply clean nappy & wrap.
Bundle up pooey liner, place nappy (& wrap if pooey) in bin, grab dd, go to bathroom, flush liner, wash hands, done.

If I had to scrape what do I do with dd? Do I have to stick her in the cot while I dabble in the loo?
Or leave the unscraped nappy hanging about till I have a free hand?
And does it not drip on the way back from the loo?

10 weeks old, bf poo will wash off in the machine.
If you can't bear that then leave dd on changing mat on the floor while you rinse poo off in toilet, and keep nappy bucket in bathroom to avoid dripping (although mine is in the kitchen and it is rarely a problem)

The ultra liners are really thick and sort of good for the runny poo but do stay damp, you could use tots bots liners, they are nice and thin, catch the poo and softer than junior joy ones. Alternatively just go linerless. I never scraped nappies, tend to flush the toilet on them while giving them a good shake, the washing machine will deal with any residue if you do a cold rinse first and don't over load it particularly when its just breast fed poo because there is not much to
it. It gets easier when they are weaned as its more solid and just rolls off the fleece.

Also why not keep your nappy bucket in the loo, or have two, one in the loo. You can get nappy sprayers if you really want something quick, babykind sell them but you have to have the right plumbing.

Go with fleece liners, so when you reach the stage of having to scrape poo, you will be able to just stretch it and 'ping' the poo into the loo .

Its not really an issue yet though is it? My little one's nappies go straight in the bucket as they are. I found it wasn't until DS1 started on solids that I needed to worry about the poo disposal issues!

I would definitely ditch the paper liners - seems a shame to have a lovely cloth nappy and then to stick scratchy paper next to babies skin, don't you think?

I take your poimt re scratchy paper inside soft cloth, but surely not much point using a fleece liner with fleece-innered bimbles?

I don't cold rinse/ prewash atm so might have to start...

MrsB you worry too much - just bung the fleece lined nappy into the wash as is, no prewashing necessary for little babies' nappies. I just wash at 60 deg. I use homemade fleece liners because my nappies are all cotton ones.

I think there is a reason to not use fleece inside fleece nappies - something scientific about reversing the onewayness!!! Wouldn't make sense anyway would it? BTW I always wash paper liners that are only wet and use a few times.

For bfed poo I always wondered why I used a liner at all. I did use to blast the nappies in the power shower or in the flush but really they could just go in the machine. I've just started doing a rinse first with Dd2s nappies as they are sooo smelly. She is 19 months and DD1 was in knickers at this point so new territory for me.

I don't see how that can be the case as fleece wraps are usually 2/3 layers of fleece aren't they?

But I do agree there is no point in fleece liners in an already fleece lined nappy, infact there is no point in ANY liner at all for a little baby. I only mentioned it because MrsB may want to reconsider this after weaning, esp if her DC's poo is anywhere near as horrible as my DS1's was

Yes, I know about wraps but I once read about not using a fleece liner in a nappy that already has one - can't remember where though!

Sorry, I wasn't questioning you - I can remember reading that somewhere too! I just don't understand the science bit....

go linerless

The main reason for doing a cold rinse before the main wash is to avoid stains, ok its probably not such an issue with fleece lined nappies but as poo is a protein stain a 60 degree wash will cook it in and may cause stains, just getting into the habit of a cold cycle before the 60 degree is a good idea and will keep your nappies in better nick if you ever want to sell them.

The thing with fleece liners is all down to the weight of the fleece. It basically seems like micro fleece and really thin normal fleece isn't water proof and lets the wee through but doesn't soak it back up whereas the heavier weight fleeces like those used in coats and over 200weight are waterproof and those usually get used in covers. Its not really a good idea to double up fleece liners as you can't always tell what weight fleece some are made of an it might get a bit thick and repel rather than allowing wee to go through.

But fleece doesn't stain does it? Mine never has despite some nasty incidents

I have known fleece to stain but its very rare. Its handy to do the cold wash anyway as poo may get onto other parts of the nappy particulalry if you are putting them all in the nappy bucket together. I had a friend who borrowed a fuzzi bunz for her son and gave it back really badly stained on the fleece liner, that stain will not come out-so it does happen.

I use JJ liners for all my nappies - easy peasy, no scraping and the whole lot goes down the loo. Tried without, but my DS has very soft poos, and it was too bleurgh scraping the squidgy mess.

i cold rinse before with all my pockets so as not to set in the stain and have no staining on any fleece lined ones - the only staining is on an organic velour lined one. Suedecloth is the same - no staines.

Don't know why I'm asking really, as I always prewash mine to avoid stains on my cotton nappies. S'pose I just thought it might not be necessary with fleece lined ones.