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Thoughts on my situation with PILs

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Octo88 · 09/01/2020 09:02

A fresh perspective on my situation might be refreshing!

My child who is coming up to 1, is fortunate enough to have 4 sets of grandparents (3 on my husbands side). One set, my husbands parents, I feel as though they have treated me differently since our child came on the scene. With all our families on both sides, I have felt that we’ve shared the time together and enjoyed special moments, together. Together being a key thing. With my husbands parents, they are somewhat stand off-ish towards me and they make me feel unwanted/uncomfortable. I’m sure they’d be pleased if I wasn’t around when they visited. However, they are usually cordial enough (is this the best I can hope for?), but outwardly rude on occasion (father in law comes across as a bully on a few occasions)..... ultimately, there is a tension, never discussed because it’s difficult to pin point exactly what it is. Unless it’s as simple as their dislike towards me, which could explain it all.

To explain further, it seems that when I have a story to share of my child and I am a part of that story, they have no care to listen to it (unless it involves my husband, in which case they’re attentive to the conversation). I generally get ignored, talked over or sidelined in their conversations though, which I find incredibly rude and a testament to their poor judge of me. I do a lot with our child whilst my husband is at work so I also struggle to understand why they are disinterested, unless it’s purely down to my involvement in it (do grandparents get bitter over these kind of things?! I am the mother in this situation). Their disregard can be quite subtle in this way, but it makes for an uncomfortable visit when I know they don’t really care or engage in a conversation with me.

God forbid we ever mention my side of the family too (only one set of grandparents and one auntie that are actively involved on my side) it’s like they would prefer to believe they are the only family my child has. We see both sets of our parents equally though, but naturally I speak with my family over the phone often, so on physical contact terms it’s equal at least.

A trend has also developed on social media, to some extent pictures with me and our child get ignored, but pictures with my husband and our child comments, shares etc. I don’t share many pictures, so when I do it sticks out like a sore thumb. They also tend to only take pictures of my child with my husband in, and they are developing their own album. I assume that when they show these pictures to my child in years to come it will appear as though I am not present on occasions. They appear to be trying to isolate and exclude me in this sense too... I don’t know if they’ve done this subconsciously or purposefully, but it’s blatantly obvious and emotionally exhausting. Perhaps this is something I just need to work through personally to let go?

They have also shared their disapproval and judgement of some types of parenting styles in passing (I assume, another subtle blow towards me), but also on how their niece parents her son on occasion (at least it’s not just me). It makes me feel uncomfortable with how they might judge us behind closed doors, but more likely, they probably blame imperfections, parental decisions, keeping our home etc....wrong or different in their eyes on me.... because, of course, “they couldn’t be more proud of their son, delivering them their first grandchild” and I assume that anything imperfect would lay blame to me. Perhaps nothing is ever good enough to them, their children and now in extension their grandchild. I am speculating here, do you think some grandparents think this way?!

They have also made a handful of assumptions that I personally feel broaches the unspoken rules of respecting a parent. One being, making the assumption that they will take our child on a holiday experience abroad in a couple of years time, something I definitely wouldn’t feel comfortable with (1. I wouldn’t feel comfortable for our child to leave the country without us when so young, 2. I would want us to share that experience with our child as a family, perhaps with another sibling further down the line...). Again, we were never asked this, we were just told that is what they’re going to do because that’s what my husbands great auntie and uncle did and they are wanting to do the same..... I suspect that they talk about and mention other things like this a lot more to my husband that I am unaware of, I suspect purposely when I’m not around (something I intend to ask him about at some point, I suspect he’s not wanting to reveal how often this occurs because he doesn’t want to admit that they treat me indifferently and like I don’t exist). How can I ever feel comfortable around them when they exclude me in quite passive aggressive, but subtle ways. I intend to assert myself in the conversations next time as it’s not on.

Whilst this might all seem trivial to some (?), to me it’s an issue that isn’t going away, it’s caused tensions due to the uncaring aura emitting from them towards me. Along with my father in laws one-off nasty comment of being called “fat” and an “incubator” when I was pregnant, it feels as though that I was and am just a means to an end to them ( getting their first, and so far only grandchild ). I am speculating that I am likely seen as the disliked daughter in law that is to blame for all of my child faults, decision making (even if it’s words spoken through my husband), especially when things don’t suit them. Perhaps they fear me telling them no to things or perhaps they simply don’t like me or consider me to be good enough any longer.

We don’t see them often, but we host them for a weekend every 4-6 weeks or so and every single time it’s an uncomfortable and emotionally exhausting few day’s for me. My husband knows how I perceive this but is denial on their ‘dislike’ of me. In between visits, I used to send picture updates often, but following some advice that I was given, of giving myself space from it all, I stopped this. We still have a group chat open and my husband predominately sends messages now, which is very little and not often (just how he is). I am not responsible for my husbands relationship with his family after all, but I also assume that his lack of contact will be blamed on me... Distancing myself on the communication front has given me some much needed space though. Its made me realise that I am happier not being involved in this way.

How to improve these relations when in years past (8/9 years) we had great times I’ve no idea.

What can I do to improve this situation?

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strawberry2017 · 09/01/2020 13:28

I don't know that you can improve the situation on your own, I think you need the help and support of your DP.
Some people fail to realise that their grandchildren are not a second chance at parenthood. They try to take control and this is where you need your DP to support you in saying no to things you are not comfortable with.

Littlemunchkinsmummy · 09/01/2020 18:27

Octo88 your situation seems similar to mine. I will try to keep it brief. My husband and I are in an interfaith marriage - it’s never been much of an issue between the two of us but his parents are a bit meh. Most of the time it is not an issue but I do feel that they expect me to take active involvement in their faith even though I do not ask them to return the favour. Nonetheless here are some of the things they have done. I have requested time upon time that they do not drink in my house yet every time they come to visit my father in law has insisted on his daily beer. Now I don’t mind him drinking around me (in their own house/ at weddings / when we go out to eat etc) but I don’t want it in my house yet they disregard this. Additionally they expect us to participate in religious events but I have clearly told my husband I will not be doing so and he does not wish to travel up north when these occasions happen without me. This in turn becomes them telling him off like a child for disobeying them. Similarly, my mother in law expects daily FaceTime calls (sometimes more than once) in order to see our son. I have again told my husband that one FaceTime is sufficient we are grown adults and do not need to have constant calls during the day. But lo and behold if we don’t pick up the phone it’s another lecture from them or my mother in law guilt trips my husband with her infamous last words “what if somethings happened to me..” its really tiring. If I don’t talk to them for two days then they ask my husband why I am “off” they aren’t my parents why do I need to speak to them everyday?? My husbands cousin got married in April and our son was 1 month old and they still expected me to attend the wedding, having had a c section. They expect for us to cater as per their demands. Similarly, they kicked up a fuss regarding our sons name and asked us to reconsider 3 times before my mother in law thought it was appropriate to ask me how we had come to pick his name and what were our other alternatives. Like you my father in law made comments about how big I was whilst pregnant but I just ignored him - I carried life which is an amazing thing which not everyone gets to experience so you should just be proud of what your body did and how it catered to bring your baby into this world. My in laws too want to go on a family holiday but I have told my husband no way. How do you escape in another country. If we want to do our own thing they get offended that we are not doing everything together. My in laws also tell me how to do things but your the parent do what you think is best. Nowadays I just nod and say yes okay then don’t do it. Or I hold my ground when my son was EBF my mother in law kept saying (in summer) give him water. I refused and she questioned why - I told her he doesn’t need it and I told her to stop asking this as I’m his mother and that’s it. She retaliated and said I’m the grandmother to which I said I make the decisions.

Anyhow, I think having some distant is the best way to proceed. Maybe just be cordial but when they want pictures with your child ensure it’s you and your husband together so that they know you’re a unit. Obviously as long as your husband is on your wavelength you will be fine. Mine unfortunately is scared to stand up for me so I fight my own battles. Alternatively you could try being ultra nice to them so that they feel guilty of excluding you.

Whether they think you’re good enough or not is irrelevant, your husband chose you and his is the only opinion that counts. And at the end of the day your their grandchild’s mother and the most important person in his life so again I wouldn’t be too concerned about what they think as only you will be the best mother to your child.

Sorry if I’ve not given any constructive advise and also for my mini moan which I’m sure wasn’t of interest but I hope it helps..

Oh dear I said I’d keep it brief Blush

1stTimeMummy85 · 11/01/2020 15:23

Does your DP only have brothers? My DH is one of four boys, no sisters, and I can’t even begin to explain the nonsense my IL have said/done over the ten years we’ve been married. As well as how rude they’ve been to my SIL’s.

It always come down to control, my MIL is manipulative because she doesn’t have a daughter to extend her mothering skills, and my FIL is controlling because he’s been so used to being the general of his family, he can’t handle his sons wives saying no.

Holding your tongue and smiling and nodding are the worst things you can do. Stand your ground, and be firm.

No means no, you always have final say
They’re not your family, they have no say over you
Have constant open conversation with DH so he knows what the boundaries are
Don’t worry about offending, they’ll quickly learn what your house rules are, and will over time accept them.

You don’t have to be mean, rude or passive aggressive... just firm and repeat yourself until they finally get it, whether they like it or not is not your concern. Your all adults ☺️

Good luck!

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Octo88 · 11/01/2020 21:50

Thank you for the time you’ve all put in to responding. I’ve read every word and your thoughts mean a lot to me. The whole thing has really been eating at me following their extended stay with us over Christmas.

My husband only has one brother and he has a partner (I hope they start a family to relieve the pressure from us Grin). But I think it’s true, the fact that they don’t have any daughters mean that they are untried with relationships with me, their DIL. I’d like to believe I have misunderstood them, especially as we’ve always gotten along in years passed (before I fell pregnant) but they are so difficult to be around when they come across as so uncaring.

I believe that there is a lot of truth in the comment suggesting that they might see having a grandchild as a second chance at patenthood. It brings back a memory of when my MIL was hogging my newborn on one of their visits, consulting with me that she’d always wanted a 3rd child and FIL repetitively telling me that they were taking my child home with them. (You can imagine my anxiety as a new Mum going through the roof with that visit).

It’s good to hear I’m not alone, as it feels very isolating when they visit. I can resonate to the drinking story in one of the comments.... whilst drinking has never bothered me, my in-laws easily go through a crate of beer and a bottle or two of wine when they visit over 1 or 2 days. They were continuing this trend even after my child was born and it was just too excessive.... not comfortable to this quantity any longer around my almost 1 year old. It usually coincides with something inappropriate being done or said Too (e.g being told I was only an incubator, FIL kissing my newborn on the lips Shock etc etc).... I’ve had nothing but anxiety in relation to their visits since the birth of my child almost 1 year ago.

My husband is aware of how I feel, to an extent, but he is either in denial or completely oblivious to his parents carelessness and overstepping themselves. I feel confident that he tells them no when he’s aware that I am not comfortable with something though. I guess this is the best way forward?

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