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Dad. Concerned over the welfare of my son.

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malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 15:07

I’m going to try & make this brief however apologies if it turns into an essay!
Firstly, I don’t want this to sound like an attack on my ex especially as she is not here to defend herself but I feel I need to say things as I see they are.
I separated from my 12 year old son’s mother in 2012. We were not married but we had been together for 10 years. We grow apart & after the birth of my son I discovered that our parenting skills didn’t match. She constantly went against me when I was trying to instil boundaries & good behaviour in our son. She gave into him to much & this has come to haunt her now.

I moved into a 1 bed flat & I had my son for a few hours 2 days per week & over night on a Saturday. I rarely missed any time with him as I wanted to keep the bond we had. Because I lived with his mother & I was working while she was unemployed, we decided that I would continue to pay all the utility bills as part of the maintenance agreement which I still do to this day. The amount I paid was based on me having him 1 to 2 days & calculated on the .Gov website. His mum & I kept everything amicable even though things had gone on that I found hard to forgive her for.

Fast forward to the current day. My son’s behaviour when he is at is mums is terrible or at least I keep getting told by his mum’s family. They are constantly messaging me telling me how bad my son is & he won’t listen to her. I keep having to remind them that this may have something to do with how is has been brought up. One major issue is that he still sleeps with his mum at 12 years old. She would constantly tell him of her whereabouts when he was with me which I explained to her was probably not the best idea. She would carry him around to school until he was around 5 years of age I think & would kiss the school window reassure him when she had dropped him off. The big issue now is that she has started dating someone & basically done it in a way which I don’t agree with. She went from been overly attached to my son to pushing him out. The guy who she is seeing is unemployed, 19 years younger than her & I am told he is a recovering heroin addict. She was allowing this guy to come & go when he liked & my son was getting distressed. It’s only been about 8 weeks now & she was telling my son to hug him & he didn’t want to as he felt uncomfortable. This guy has no kids & lives with his mum. He has been telling my son he loves his mum & just stuff that makes me feel uncomfortable not to mention the heroin situation.

This is all without mentioning his mum’s behaviour. I strongly suspect that there’s substance abuse going on when my son stays with me. She shouts at him without listening to him. She lies at any opportunity to him & he has started to realise this. She threatens him with living with me if he misbehaves. She claims universal credit, housing benefit & I pay all the utility bills, but she still asks to borrow money from me. Plus, she has her brother lodging upstairs which I assume would void her benefit entitlements. I pay for his hair cutting, trainers, holidays, mobile phone & most of his school uniform each term. She rarely buys him clothes & when it’s his birthday or Christmas she transfers money to me & asks me to buy his gifts. On his 12th birthday I had to get him a birthday card for her because she said she couldn’t get to the shops. I have been too oft with her which I am aware of. I changed my hours from 8 to 4 to 9 to 5 when he moved to high school so I could take him to school each morning. He goes to my school each night as I moved to a new house so that I would be closer to his school.

Because she was finding his behaviour difficult, I increased he time he stays with me to 4 nights, but I still pay the same amount of maintenance. When I lived in my one bed flat, he did sleep with me on the one night I had him. Since I moved in November 2018 he has started sleeping in his own bed at mine but when he stays with his mum he is back in her bed if boyfriend isn’t staying.

Only last night I had my ex’s mum phone me up telling me how bad my sons’ behaviour is. I had to politely point out that his behaviour may have something to d with his dysfunctional & toxic home life. She agreed sort of. I also pointed out that her daughter’s new boyfriend is apparently in drugs. Her reply was that he is on methadone so not actually on heroin & he’s been clean for 2 years plus everyone has a past. I said that doesn’t mean its appropriate for him to be around my son.

The whole thing is getting to me now. I am getting bombarded by my ex’s family complaining about my son’s behaviour without acknowledging my ex’s behaviour. I am concerned about my son’s emotional & mental health. She tells my son that she is taking him to the doctors because he is mental when he misbehaves. She tells him that he is making her poorly & that she feels like f**king off 7 moving away. She used to say similar things to me when I lived there to the point, I did actually think I was losing my mind due to the lying & gaslighting.

I have no idea what to do. I spoke to my step daughter which is my ex’s daughter who I helped bring up since she was 7 & is now 25. She said she can’t understand why her mum is behaving like this & if I went for full custody, I would get it due to the things that go on in that house. I was thinking of trying to talk to my ex about having my son more nights, but I would have to reduce the maintenance this would then mean she would probably have to move home as she wouldn’t be able to afford the bills. Plus, if I went for full custody, I think this would upset my son even though he appears to be unhappy there. Currently her boyfriend will not go around to the house because he is not liked by my ex’s family & I think he has been threatened. However, I can see this changing & god knows what will happen then. I reckon she will move him in & then my so will be even more distressed. She has already been asking my son to give this guy another chance which I don’t agree with her asking a 12 year old this. I am also afraid that if I start any legal things or confront her that she will stop me seeing my son & then I am just putting him into a situation & environment that I don’t want him to be in.

Any advice please?

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Bookaholic73 · 17/07/2019 15:11

I would go for 100% custody.
It may upset your son in the short term, but he will be better off and a darn site safer in the long term!

Teddybear45 · 17/07/2019 15:15

You have no choice but to take it to court. I can’t believe you even need to ask the question

malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 15:22

You have no choice but to take it to court. I can’t believe you even need to ask the question
I have never been the best person to deal with things like this. It takes me a lot to make big decisions like this especially if it can potentially upset people. Some people can deal with things easier than others.

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Bookaholic73 · 17/07/2019 15:23

Would you rather have an upset son, or an abused/neglected son?
That’s what it comes down to.

malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 15:26

Would you rather have an upset son, or an abused/neglected son?That’s what it comes down to*
Very good point. I am going to visit the Citizen Advice Bureau next week to get some advice.

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HiItsClemFandango · 17/07/2019 15:29

Definitely go for 100% custody and stop worrying about the effect it will have on your ex. If she will struggle with no longer getting maintenance payments she can get a job.

You need to think about what is best for you son, which is to remove him from an abusive house and into your home permanently

Yellowweatherwarning · 17/07/2019 15:33

At 12 his wishes will most definitely count. Does he want to live with you? Stop paying her anything. Keep a diary and start claiming child benefit for your ds when he is there 7 nights. You support him financially and should be recognised as doing so. Speak to school also. They will be supportive of you and your ds.. His dm is a disgrace.

FawnDrench · 17/07/2019 15:33

Why wait till next week - you need to do something NOW!

PeppermintPatty10 · 17/07/2019 15:42

You sound like a lovely father; your son would be better with you. I’m actually really worried about him with your ex’ house. I don’t want to alarm you but a massive number of child abuse cases are done by the mum’s new boyfriend.

malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 15:45

You sound like a lovely father; your son would be better with you. I’m actually really worried about him with your ex’ house. I don’t want to alarm you but a massive number of child abuse cases are done by the mum’s new boyfriend This worries me too. She hardly knows this guy. His behaviour is causing me concern.

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CustardDonuts · 17/07/2019 16:01

You're doing the right thing wanting to move your son in with you, just remind yourself her family seem to be just as concerned for your child as you are.

Good luck!

stucknoue · 17/07/2019 16:03

I think you need to in an age appropriate way talk to your son. The courts may well award you custody but it would be best all around if it didn't come to that. Speak to your son about why he's misbehaving there, why his half sister is so worried and that he could spend most the week with you, but also ask him if he would prefer that you make the decision (many kids would prefer not to be made to choose). If it went to court he would be asked at 12. Cab may have good advice and social services could get involved if you believe that your son is at risk

malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 16:14

I think you need to in an age appropriate way talk to your son. The courts may well award you custody but it would be best all around if it didn't come to that. Speak to your son about why he's misbehaving there, why his half sister is so worried and that he could spend most the week with you, but also ask him if he would prefer that you make the decision (many kids would prefer not to be made to choose). If it went to court he would be asked at 12. Cab may have good advice and social services could get involved if you believe that your son is at risk I know most of the comments say that he would be better off with me 100% but I have to take his feelings into account. He says he wants to live with me but then when he is with me he misses his mum. I have asked him about living with me & he says he would like that but it would upset his mum. The poor lad is in a difficult situation. This is why I was trying to have him more at my house without getting any services involved but I am starting to get in too deep now. It's like I have no idea what to do for the best. I just need some professional help & advice before I make any big decisions. I think he is more at risk mentally to be honest & emotionally.

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Livebythecoast · 17/07/2019 16:18

There are many red flags here.
I agree with talking to your son. How is his behaviour when he's with you?.
I'm sure this is overwhelming for you (and your son) so you need some proper legal advice.
I'm sorry I can't offer more than that but just wanted to echo others advice. You sound like a caring Dad and I truly hope things work out for you and your son

Bookaholic73 · 17/07/2019 16:18

Do you WANT him living with you?
It doesn’t really sound like it to be honest. You keep making excuses/reasons for him to stay with his mum, even though you know it’s not the best thing for him.
You DO know what to do for the best, to have him either live with you (the ideal, as long as you want him there) or somewhere safe.

malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 16:32

There are many red flags here. I agree with talking to your son. How is his behaviour when he's with you?. I'm sure this is overwhelming for you (and your son) so you need some proper legal advice. I'm sorry I can't offer more than that but just wanted to echo others advice. You sound like a caring Dad and I truly hope things work out for you and your son He is good as gold for me & no issue at all. I absolutely love having him around. I shall have a good talk with him tonight.

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malgrat78 · 17/07/2019 16:45

Do you WANT him living with you? It doesn’t really sound like it to be honest. You keep making excuses/reasons for him to stay with his mum, even though you know it’s not the best thing for him. You DO know what to do for the best, to have him either live with you (the ideal, as long as you want him there) or somewhere safe I want what Is best for my son & if that means him living with me then of cause I want that. It isn't as easy & clear cut as you make out. I am the Father so unless I can prove that he is in danger it appears that its difficult to get full custody. There's also the issue which I have explained about him not wanting to make his mum upset. At the moment his mum's boyfriend is not visiting the house but this may change. So at the moment I cant make that a good enough reason. The other stuff is more about his emotional needs & I have no idea how I would go about proving this. The stuff is just what my son has told me. When I confront his mother she denies it & calls him a liar. I am just afraid that things will not go to plan & she ends up trying to retaliate by not letting me see him & then I have to spend months trying to get visiting rights. This then means he is back in the environment I do not want him to be back in. I know what my ex is like & she can be evil & vindictive. I am terrified things could go wrong. So , its not the case of me not wanting him with me it a case of not knowing what to do & been very apprehensive & overwhelmed by it all. I honestly have not got a clue what to do & together with the stories you hear about Fathers not having as much rights as the mother it terrifies me as to what I could potentially get myself into.

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30not13 · 17/07/2019 17:02

Cab will be a waste of time.
Make an appointment with a family solicitor for proper advice. And it's tosh that mothers have more rights than a father Hmm

Good luck

FunkyCrunky · 17/07/2019 20:12

To be honest, I would call social services to get involved and do an assessment. Try to record all calls/texts, etc. from her family as proof. Write and list all concerns you have. If you don't want to go through that route yet, try talking to your son and having a heart-to-heart regarding his behaviour while he is with his mum. He may confide more details with you (be prepared to hear things you don't want to hear).

If social do get involved, they usually go off what the child says as truth, unless things are seen by the social worker at visits. If you son lies and says everything is fine at home, then it likely won't go any further regardless. I think a good chat with him and what he wants/needs is in order.

Also, regarding the maintenance costs you are paying: are you paying the usual rate for 1 child? It sounds like you are paying ALL of the utilities, etc. If so, I wouldn't let her take you for a fool like this. As she is on benefits, she has to declare maintenance payments over £5, I believe - don't quote me on that though.

kimlo · 17/07/2019 20:20

@funkycrunky no she doesn't have to declare any, that changed years ago.

6677xx · 13/11/2024 19:55

So I have split up with my sons mum recently because of her abuse towards me not physically but verbal l've recently found out my Son's nan takes him to pick up weed from her her boyfriends house and also found out the boyfriends son is a convicted murderer and diagnosed schizophrenia now my son is only 8 months old I called the police on Sunday for advice they came to my house as I had my son at that point they said I can either keep him or give him back too his mum my plan wasn't too keep him I just wanted advice and also said they would get on contact with social work and somone would be in touch no one called so I called them yesterday and they said we that too your ex but nothing yet...I never know where my sons going when he's not with me I don't know nothing about him when he's gone I find out through social media he's been swimming and stuff but I wasn't aware of this... forgot too add my ex is meant to be on antidepressants because of her mental after giving birth she wanted to come off them but the doctor said no don't but she did anyways so really what can I do here am very anxious as a dad because I don't know what's going on and if he's still going to this house to pick drugs with his nan and lam also on the birth certificate too

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