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Rflook · 04/06/2019 23:41

Hi, my first time here so please be gentle

My partner gave birth yesterday morning to a beautiful baby boy. The birth was a complicated c section, the little un had his head jammed somehow and so it took longer than was expecting and a lot more surgery to get him safely out. The docs have said no problems will occur but you can not help worrying/wondering.

Anyhow what I am posting for is mainly about breastfeeding and settling/sleeping. He tends to cup feed without a problem but breastfeeding is a challenge. He did take from the boob shortly after birth but ever since usually loses his mind when a nipple is placed in his mouth (red faced, screaming, thrashing).

Sleeping wise, if you have him lying on you, bam he is out like a light, and if not asleep then is quiet. Pick him up and try to put him in a crib and just like with the breastfeeding, it is armageddon time. Pick him up when he is kicking off and put him back on your chest and it is like he has been given the world's strongest sedative.

Does anyone have any advice (gratefully received) for either of these challenges?

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Legoroses · 04/06/2019 23:49

Hi, breastfeeding was also a nightmare for me at this stage. My milk didn't actually come in until day 5. Then it was hugely different and much much easier.

I cannot recommend highly enough the breastfeeding helplines run by the LA Leche league and the Breastfeeding Network. Please give them a ring. They are amazing.

Are your partner and baby at home? Just make sure that baby is being weighed by the midwife who should visit today /tomorrow to ensure not too much weight loss. We also had a brilliant guide to how many poos/wet nappies to expect given to us by the hospital. Have you got something similar?

Sleeping! Still not cracked that yet, so I can be of no help there...

It's super hard at the beginning. Super hard.

HappyMama01 · 04/06/2019 23:52

Congratulations! Thanks

I don't have any advice for breastfeeding as I formula fed, but maybe someone else will come along and be able to advise you both.

Remember that baby has come from somewhere warm and cosy, and is trying to adjust to our world. I used to let my baby sleep on me for about 30 mins, then I'd settle him in his grobag, tuck him in, give him his dummy and place a comforter that has been under my shirt or rubbed against my skin to have my scent, we'd let him snuggle with it (supervised) and remove when deep asleep. Then just rock him in his Moses basket.

Depends if your baby likes being swaddled or not. Ours hated being swaddled but liked to be snug in a blanket.
All the best! Smile

loudnoises1 · 04/06/2019 23:55

Persevere, your baby is only a day old.
They will change every day- it took me a few days until my milk came in fully for breastfeeding to be properly established.
The calmer you both are, the calmer baby will be and it will get easier. Don't be afraid to ask your health visitor or midwives for help and advice.

Try anything that will replicate the feeling of being on your chest, sheets that smell like you etc

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Emerald4512 · 04/06/2019 23:57

Have you tried playing white noise? That helped my little boy to fall asleep and sometimes when he also wanted to be held I would put my hand over his chest/side of face.

Cannyhandleit · 05/06/2019 00:01

Try swaddling baby to make him more secure! I struggled to get my first to latch so I expressed into a syringe to start with to get him to take some until milk came in.

Amara123 · 05/06/2019 00:03

Google 4 th trimester, the baby will want to be close to you, completely natural.

Whisky2014 · 05/06/2019 00:04

The baby is a day old... jeez. Milk comes in usually day 4. Persevere with it as it comes in on a demand/supply basis

PotolBabu · 05/06/2019 00:05

I would be amazed if he agreed to be put down for the first 5 or 6 weeks. He was lying snug in a dark environment all curled up and he’s been rudely thrust into the outside world. On your chest or next to you is where he feels most secure. Ask the midwives for help with latching. Babies don’t always know how to breastfeed so it’s a learning process for everyone.

NotSoThinLizzy · 05/06/2019 00:06

I'm just gonna say congrats 😊 good advice here.

chipsandgin · 05/06/2019 00:09

Just now all that will be being produced is colostrum (not milk yet) which is all he needs. What is he being cup fed?

When the milk comes in after a few days it’ll change but cup feeding surely unnecessary/unhelpful if you want to encourage milk production?

I had two c-sections, the first incredibly complex & had to persevere but successfully bf both times, long term. Definitely worth contacting La Leche & Googling Dr Jack Newman (amazing bf advice).

Also the crib thing is not surprising if you think about it / the world is a scary place to arrive in & it’s all brand new having been in s nice cosy womb for 9 months!

Congratulations btw Flowers (everything changes by the hour these first few days so don’t worry...& welcome to the other side, don’t forget to enjoy the ride!!)

Teddybear45 · 05/06/2019 00:11

It might help to touch the nipple to his mouth (and eventually express a few drops of milk onto his lips) first to get him used to the breast. I would also suggest that your partner monopolises all cuddle time for a few weeks - she should hold baby to the breast - as it will help baby get used to breast.

PotolBabu · 05/06/2019 00:13

The No Cry Sleep Solution has suggestions on reducing what it calls ‘arm sleeping.’ But in general brand new newborns never ever want to be put down. I know you guys are wondering wtf have we done and are exhausted and you don’t need me to tell you how precious these cuddles are. But it will pass. I promise you. It will slowly all get better.

What we did do once home from hospital that helped was that roughly after 6:30, about 30 mins after a feed (so not the same time everyday) we dimmed the lights, did a massage with oil, dipped in a nicely warm bath for a few minutes, then brought him back to the dim room. Changed, fed, read the same bloody book (Goodnight Moon, I can recite it in my sleep) and then that was night time. Now it didn’t mean he slept through. It didn’t mean he didn’t cluster feed. But we kept him in the dark till 6:30/7 am. This is boring so DH would often keep me company. It took him roughly 10 days after coming home from hospital for each child to get day from night with this. So yes they might need multiple times at night but other than teething or being unwell we didn’t have the phenomenon where they were awake at night wanting to play.
My sons are now 7.5 and 2.5 and they have the same routine but modified- at bedtime they have a bath, they are oiled as they are both a little prone to dry skin, the little one has milk, teeth, stories (including one from big brother to little brother) and then I leave the little one to fall asleep in the dark, read to the big one and then he reads to himself. And then lights out. The idea is that you are gently teaching them that falling sleep is not something to be resisted or to be afraid of. Babies are not born with the knowledge that when one is tired sleep will cure this. But by making the process of sleeping as calm and regular as possible it makes it a less frightening prospect IYKWIM.

WarmthAndDepth · 05/06/2019 00:40

Good evening, OP!
Congratulations on the birth of your son, so great that he is out safe and sound. I hope your partner is able to rest a little despite the whirlwind that is having a newborn.
I think the two issues you describe are very, very common, and definitely to be expected given your son's dramatic arrival. He has spent 9 blissful months safely cossetted in the soft, rosy glow of your partner's womb only to arrive in a jarring new environment after a stressful journey. Birth is rough on babies! (And on both parents Flowers )
Breastfeeding can take a while to establish. There is lots of information available and people will be along here with lots of advice, I'm sure. I found that time was a crucial factor; no expectation on me to do anything other than establish breastfeeding for as long as it took, so just staying in bed, snuggling with baby skin to skin, letting baby sleep and offering a nipple every so often, for hours on end, for the first week (both my DC first fed just lying flat in the bed, 'finding' the nipple when offered). The housework put indefinitely on hold, knowing that once breast feeding is established, everything can slowly get back to some new kind of normal. And if it doesn't work, there is always expressing and bottle feeding or using formula. Get your health visitor to check for tongue-tie and support your partner.

As far as the sleep is concerned, I think it is totally natural for your son to want to sleep in close physical contact with you or your partner. After all, he has been physically attached to another person for the whole of his life so far, and this is what he knows and feels comfortable with. I'd say let him, and ignore the 'you're making a rod for your own back' people. Being close to you helps his tiny infant system regulate in a new and overwhelming world. He is still so very new, and his system will still be flooded with all the stress hormones from birth; keep him close, minimum stimulation, still, quiet, low light and let him arrive in this new reality gently. Let him sleep the stresses of birth off, snuggled close to you; get comfy with a good book or movie and just let him sleep. And sleep. To be honest, this is more important at this stage than putting him down and kick-starting 'good habits' -there is loads of time for that later on. You'll be knackered, uncomfortable and wondering when he'll learn to settle in a bed, but just let him sleep however he needs it, and if that is on you, then so be it. He needs to sleep. Tag team with your partner to have him sleeping on your chest, pop him in a sling suitable for newborns (inward facing), and keep him close. Chances are that once he has rested up and his system has had a chance to regulate and settle, he will be more able to feed too.
Birth is a life-changing time for everyone involved, especially if it is your first baby. Nothing prepares you for the surrender of your own routine and preferences, the patience required is nothing short of saintly. You'll likely be tired beyond belief, and wonder at how slowly time can creep by in the early hours of the morning. Be kind to yourself and your partner; you have both been through something huge. She is likely to be really sore, if not in outright agony, so do everything you can to make life easier for her, even if she is putting on a brave face and making out she's OK. The brave faces of new parents are very brave indeed. Do whatever you can, whatever it takes, to keep things light and sweet at this time, and you'll find it is all so much easier. And your boy, he is relying on you both to provide regulation (babies can not self regulate or self-soothe), so give him what he needs (he's showing you; he is contented when he has what he needs).
Best of luck, and welcome to Mumsnet, where you and your partner will find endless advice and support from other users. I reckon there must be a thread in the archives on almost every aspect of parenting, however obscure.

Pantsomime · 05/06/2019 01:00

OP congratulations!! Try to relax- v hard as that new born scream hits the total panic alert button immediately- they are so tiny but immaculately programmed. Great advice here, skin to skin warm snuggles required. Agree get a tongue tie check but likely all is ok. C/S took me 5 days to bring my milk in. I remember feeling a desperate failure on the hormonal day 3 but also that I’d been told they are born with enough yolk in their tummies to take them through day 3 to nourish them while they are trying to suckle to encourage the milk to come in. We did go back to hospital for 2 days on formula ( via HV) but once my milk was in I managed 100% bf. Have loads of food in ready for your DP & forget housework- just keep the washer on. Enjoy - it’s a magical if bewildering time

hormonesorDHbeingadick · 05/06/2019 07:31

The sleep thing is the same for every newborn. It gets easier.

Chippychipsforme · 05/06/2019 07:39

Congratulations! Babies are brand new people and they take time to learn, it's all normal, just exhausting. Enjoy the lovely cuddles.

2beautifulbabs · 05/06/2019 08:38

White noise helps me with my DD to sleep usually settles her
I found the first 8 weeks hardest with newborn as a lot of people have mentioned look up the fourth trimester it makes total sense regarding the baby only settling on you my DD was the same she would only sleep on me and constantly wanted to be held wouldn't last long than 10 mins in a bouncer on her play mat constantly just want to be held by me which did make things hard as I had a 2yr old DS

I can't help on the breastfeeding issue though as mine are FF but maybe speak to midwife they will help or point you in the right direction and congrats on birth of your DS

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