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Struggling with 4yo DS2

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ElphabaTheGreen · 04/05/2019 07:29

DH and I are finding ourselves struggling with DS2’s behaviour and aren’t sure if we should seek further help, so I thought I’d try the MN hive mind first. Apologies in advance for the length but I want to give a full picture.

DS2 will be 5 in August and is in Reception. We don’t get too many reports of bad behaviour from his teacher - there’s only been one instance where she had to talk to me at pick up where he had been wilfully ignoring what she’d asked him to do. Feedback at parents’ evening is that he’s a clever boy but getting him to concentrate is hard work. His behaviour mark on his last report was ‘fair to good’.

That’s not bad at school, but we get that times 500 at home.

He ignores virtually everything we ask him to do. We have to ask him at least five times to do something (get your shoes, tidy up, move out of the way so I can do x, y, z). It’s like the world he has going on in his head is too distracting/important to pay any attention to us. Nine times out of ten if you tell him not to do something, he’ll do it anyway then laugh at us - I told him clearly not to mess about with the automatic door at the swimming pool yesterday, then he looked me in the eye and pressed the door opening button anyway. I can’t really leave him to entertain himself for any great lengths of time - he wanders from one activity to another, trashing the house as he goes. I definitely can’t leave him with marker pens, crayons etc as he’ll just start scribbling on the walls, floor...I found him ‘practicing my letters’ on the window in crayon yesterday 😣

We always give him a consistent response that we are not happy with his behaviour, but I feel like I’m bellowing at him from sun up til sun down. Many times, when I reprimand him, he calls me, ‘the worst mummy in the world’, ‘the rudest mummy in the world’ and on particularly bad days, ‘I’m going to make you dead’. I have never used that kind of language with him so I have no idea where that’s come from. We’ve tried sending him to his room for particularly bad behaviour (punching his brother or smashing up his Lego) which seems to work for a day or two, then it all goes to pot again. We’ve tried ‘love bombing’ - lots of 1:1, getting down on his level and speaking quietly with him, but it just seems to embarrass him. He puts a hand over our mouths and tells us to be quiet if we try and tell him we love him or try and get him to talk about why he behaves like he does. He’s a bit better with DH than me, I think because I lose my shit with him much more quickly, but then I spend more time with him than DH so I cop the most of his behaviour and it wears me down.

DS1 (6yo) is the exact opposite, so I don’t know if DS2 is just a ‘normal’ four year old and his beautifully-behaved, enthusiastic, loving big brother is the changeling! We go out of our way not to treat them differently but I’m sure DS2 can’t help but notice that he gets a lot more grief from us than DS1 does, but I don’t know what else to do.

His strengths - he’s a total clown and can be very funny. He’s creative - they’re having a superhero day at school and while all his friends are going as Ironman, Spider-Man etc, he wants to go as Freddie Mercury because ‘rock stars are superheroes’. He loves any and all music and especially going to theatre shows. I’d be concerned about possible ADHD, but for the fact that he sits riveted, fascinated and motionless through 2+ hour adult musicals and ballets. We do try to use this as leverage (e.g. we confiscate his beloved show programmes for bad behaviour and give them back for good) but it doesn’t work as he doesn’t really seem to care after the initial removal. We’ve tried to capitalise on his interests by sending him to dance lessons where he concentrates fairly well but I don’t know that he completely makes the connection yet that what he does in class translates to what he sees on stage, although he is very excited that his dance school will be doing a show next year that he’ll be in.

Thanks for reading this far 😳 I’d be grateful for any advice you might have.

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blatantchanger · 30/06/2019 16:27

@HippoRampage @ElphabaTheGreen
I just had quick read on PDA on the autism website really matches my DS, but he is only 3. I have considered Autism in the past but whenever I research he doesn't do the typical things, plus he seems sociable, but does have a bad speech delay. Supposedly normal understanding Hmm

What was interesting was the website said about PDA that they can role play. My DS avoids doing things I ask by suddenly becoming a dog / cat / tow truck / crane. I had thought that imaginary play meant that it wasn't Autism, but he certainly displays some erm unusual quirks. I would describe him as incredibly stubborn, strong willed. He has passed many hearing tests too . I had considered that he may have a processing issue in the past, but for the things he wants to do he is completely biddable, shoes on, straight out the door.

My DS has some repetitive behaviour linked to role play, but not any of the classic autism ones.

Ultimately it comes down to managing them, as whether they have a condition or not. I was just about to buy how to talk so your child will listen, remembering a friend bang on about it years back. Is it worth it or not in this case ?

I do feel quite drained at times. My DS being my only child and knowing that there is terrible twos, threeagers, firstly fours, know it all fives I have tried to tell myself it's all normal. It's so hard to know when it is or not.

JMK77 · 04/07/2019 12:28

Hi there, Sorry you're struggling and sounds like you've tried lost of sensible things. Going for a chat with your Gp might not be a bad idea, I agree. This website is really helpful too - www.happymaps.co.uk- it's for parents and has loads of resources on behaviour and mental heat problems in children including the books you've already mentioned. Might be worth. look. Good luck !

Teddybear45 · 04/07/2019 12:31

How is the relationship between siblings? I would be suspicious that your elder son is so perfectly good around you, usually means he has something to hide. Maybe he’s bullying the younger child when you don’t realise?

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ElphabaTheGreen · 04/07/2019 15:19

Teddy They adore each other - absolutely adore each other. If you ask one who they love best in the family, DS1 will say DS2 and vice versa. The school have said they seek each other out at playtimes, run across the school yard and hug like they’ve been separated for days. Definitely no bullying from DS1 - he’d probably take a bullet for his little brother. He is a genuinely good kid who is mortified by any deviance from rules by anyone. DS2 can sometimes be a thug towards DS1, but his first question upon waking, getting home, returning from the loo is, ‘Where’s DS1?’

Thanks for the link JMK77 - I’ll take a look.

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